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[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 55 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Lmao two day old Reddit refugee here to own us but they don't know there's a video of him walking away

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[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 47 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I'm like, 90/10 on them being this loser: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/21641836/12769312

EDIT: just to clarify, I'm 100% sure OP is not the OP of the linked thread, I'm fairly certain they're the commenter in the linked comment.

[–] DoiDoi@hexbear.net 35 points 1 week ago

lmao incredibly pathetic behavior

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

~~Pretty sure its not, just restating this because this is the second time I've see this in the thread. That person has an account by the same name here.~~

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The other one was me also, but please look at my response. I'm not talking about the OP of the linked thread, I'm talking about a commenter in a directly linked comment who specifically stated they were going to come here and troll us with this image.

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh LOL yes never mind I think your right.

[–] WhiskeyOaks@hexbear.net -3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'd love to see the video then

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 56 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

::: spoiler You've already gotten it linked 25 minutes ago before you made this comment actually. What's that about? Why don't you engage with material provided yo you? Almost like you're not actually curious.

[–] WhiskeyOaks@hexbear.net -3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So it has, lol. Not the easiest thing in the world to read every notification first, I'll get through it eventually

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 59 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

You've gotten barely any notifications and you decide to engage in discussion against something before you've read them. That's not exhibiting curiosity. That's being a debatelord. Responding exclusively to this one is also very telling.

The video is barely 2.5 minutes long. I thought you were curious, yet now you decide to put off answers to your question so that you can continue making pointless comments.

This is uncivil, rude and honestly poor behaviour. I hope you rectify yourself.

Operating on the assumption you're just a debatebro, why do libs like you give this one event, where the narrative is so twisted it's visible for anyone who looks the least bit into it, so much weight, when the United states police regularly run over protesters? This picture is used to illustrate a systemic critique of China, yet these events occur commonly in the west and people like you treat it like it's suddenly some complicated situation.

Edit: On the off chance you're genuine, we had someone much kinder than you stumble in a few days ago with the same questions. I will point you to comments from there to give you reading material
On Ukraine
And on tianamen and the Uyghurs

[–] blunder@hexbear.net 29 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I agree with you but also I wonder if someone who just wanders onto this website knows what a "debatelord" is lol. We are so steeped in our own lingo

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah someone also used "natopedia" lol, we need to do some self-crit about being normal online (when appropriate)

[–] blunder@hexbear.net 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

lmao you're totally right and I'm so used to it that I didn't even clock that one. god maybe I need to touch-grass

have a good day everyone meow-coffee

[–] blunder@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I touch-grassed all day and it was fuckin awesome

[–] Future_Honkey@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

I too had a great time away and coming back to this thread in bed is just chefs-kiss

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I feel like debatelord is pretty self-evident, but there's other ones like smuglord where I agree. Gonna change it to debatebro though

[–] blunder@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Idk if this is correct but I think of smuglord as having come from the emoji title, which is one of the best on the site. I mean, what's more accurate than smuglord ?

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago

"Debatebro" is used pretty commonly outside of here. I think "debatelord" is close enough most people will get it.

[–] WhiskeyOaks@hexbear.net -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not the one being rude here. I am currently working on reading all the comments, I read yours first so I responded to it first. I did not see the video link until after I responded. Cool your jets for sec and let me interact with my own post in my own time. Have a little patience, my friend.

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You are being rude in the way I've pointed out. Engaging in this discussion, but ignoring points you dislike is rude. You are doing this in this very response here.
By being rude you appear as a dipshit. You therefore receive uncivil attitude back. If you were less condescending about your way of interaction, then you would receive kinder responses. You are not owed any cool jets, when you yourself are behaving poorly.
Go look thru the linked thread to learn how you actually behave in a civil chat.

Let me engage in my own time.

"Your post" lol buddy it's a public forum and the block button is right there. Let me point out how you're being obvious in my own time.

[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 41 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You've been linked it but if you can't watch it now, here's some screenshots:

Climbing inside the tank to have a conversation:

Walking away afterwards:

The real question is, who told you that he got run over? 🤔

[–] WhiskeyOaks@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The sceenshots are rather helpful, thanks. I've never heard of him getting run over, but I'm also not sure I've ever seen the part of him walking away either.

[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

who told you he was run over ?

[–] WhiskeyOaks@hexbear.net 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

No one, lol. I have never once heard that claim until today

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If that's true, why post this? What is this image supposed to mean, to you?

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 41 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I feel like libs love to do this. They're vague, but from context, everyone knows what they're implying. When you prove them wrong they pretend they didn't mean literally anything "just a joke bro."

Why would this picture possibly be an important truth to power anti-China image if you think the guy in the photo was fine and the conflict got diffused after a brief chat with the tank operator?

[–] niph@hexbear.net 28 points 1 week ago

Can’t have your position undermined if you never take a position in the first place think-about-it

[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 32 points 1 week ago

Let us look at a specific example. A claim like “There’s cultural genocide of Uyghurs in Xinjiang” is simply unreal to most Westerners, close to pure gibberish. The words really refer to existing entities and geographies, but Westerners aren’t familiar with them. The actual content of the utterance as it spills out is no more complex or nuanced than “China Bad,” and the elementary mistakes people make when they write out statements of “solidarity” make that much clear. This is not a complaint that these people have not studied China enough — there’s no reason to expect them to study China, and retrospectively I think to some extent it was a mistake to personally have spent so much time trying to teach them. It’s instead an acknowledgment that they are eagerly wielding the accusation like a club, that they are in reality unconcerned with its truth-content, because it serves a social purpose.

What is this social purpose? Westerners want to believe that other places are worse off, exactly how Americans and Canadians perennially flatter themselves by attacking each others’ decaying health-care systems, or how a divorcee might fantasize that their ex-lover’s blooming love-life is secretly miserable. This kind of “crab mentality” is actually a sophisticated coping mechanism suitable for an environment in which no other course of action seems viable. Cognitive dissonance, the kind that eventually spurs one into becoming intolerant of the status quo and into action, is initially unpleasant and scary for everybody. In this way, we can begin to understand the benefit that “victims” of propaganda derive from carelessly “spreading awareness.” Their efforts feed an ambient propaganda haze of controversy and scandal and wariness that suffocates any painful optimism (or jealousy) and ensuing sense of duty one might otherwise feel from a casual glance at the amazing things happening elsewhere. People aren’t “falling” for atrocity propaganda; they’re eagerly seeking it out, like a soothing balm.