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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 164 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (60 children)

On the offchance that you're actually here in good faith. The pop history belief in the west is that a bunch of unarmed innocent protestors were brutally massacred inside the square, this is false and no deaths of protestors occurred in the square. What actually went down is protestors murdered two unarmed negotiators and burned them alive sparking off things turning nasty, a military column then got ransacked and some protestors armed themselves. What followed were dozens of hours of battles across different streets in which hundreds of PLA and armed protestors died. I could post images of these burned negotiators but I'll leave that to you to look up, they're not hard to find and I don't think it adds value to a historic discussion to post the gore when what matters is the version of events.

I can do this two ways for you, I can show it with western liberal sources or I can show it with socialist sources. I'll give you both.

The Telegraph lays it out pretty reasonably in this article in my opinion, and since it's a right wing tory rag so I assume no liberals are gonna accuse it of it being "commie propaganda" lmao.

But don't just take that as the only example. How about we also look back at old articles written at the time it actually occurred?

CBS NEWS: “We saw no bodies, injured people, ambulances or medical personnel — in short, nothing to even suggest, let alone prove, that a “massacre” had occurred in [Tiananmen Square]”

BBC NEWS: “I was one of the foreign journalists who witnessed the events that night. There was no massacre on Tiananmen Square”

NY TIMES: In June 13, 1989, NY Times reporter Nicholas Kristof – who was in Beijing at that time – wrote, “State television has even shown film of students marching peacefully away from the [Tiananmen] square shortly after dawn as proof that they [protesters] were not slaughtered.” In that article, he also debunked an unidentified student protester who had claimed in a sensational article that Chinese soldiers with machine guns simply mowed down peaceful protesters in Tiananmen Square.

REUTERS: Graham Earnshaw was in the Tiananmen Square on the night of June 3. He didn’t leave the square until the morning of June 4th. He wrote in his memoir that the military came, negotiated with the students and made everyone (including himself) leave peacefully; and that nobody died in the square.

A Wikileaks cable from the US Embassy in Beijing (sent in July 1989) also reveals the eyewitness accounts of a Latin American diplomat and his wife: “They were able to enter and leave the [Tiananmen] square several times and were not harassed by troops. Remaining with students … until the final withdrawal, the diplomat said there were no mass shootings in the square or the monument.”


If instead of me using western major news sources to support my point you'd somehow still want this from my communist perspective. These three pieces are pretty good:

https://redsails.org/another-view-of-tiananmen/

https://www.liberationnews.org/tiananmen-the-massacre-that-wasnt/

https://archive.ph/24zzF


As for these tanks themselves. The video is of them leaving the square, and when held up like this I think they demonstrated a degree of restraint you wouldn't see from any western military anywhere in the world.

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[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 102 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (20 children)

Lmao, are you the person from that blahaj thread who said they were "toying" with the idea of coming here to own us with a picture from 1989?

Have you watched the video?

EDIT: Your account age is exactly as old as this comment.

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 81 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lmao oh man that's hilarious. Do they think we've never been hit with the tiny-man square thing before?

Watch out, he's going to say Xinnie the Pooh next, that will really own us.

[–] Hexamerous@hexbear.net 71 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 54 points 1 week ago

Heh -999 social credit score berdly-smug

[–] propter_hog@hexbear.net 57 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

jfc he's from sh.itfor.brains

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[–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 73 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The US realized that chauvinist losers like you could be easily duped into believing atrocity propaganda in order to drive down domestic support for China. Since westerners can only barely reach political object permanence, this lie works so effectively well.

Since you had your turn with China, let me play your same game here: "I'm curious"

what happened there?

answer1985 MOVE bombing in Philadelphia where police dropped bombs on children and allowed a fire to spread.

Every accusation is a confession.

[–] buh@hexbear.net 69 points 1 week ago (1 children)

WhiskeyOaks

WOaks

Wokes

👁️

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[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 69 points 1 week ago

It's notable that Arthur Tsang Hin Wah, one of the two Tank Man photographers, was in the hotel to take the photo because he was beaten by students while taking photos on the 3rd.

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 68 points 1 week ago (11 children)

of all the bait to post, the self own here is off the charts

from the natopedia link someone posted

The lead tank halted to avoid running him over; the man then climbed on top of the tank. The PLA soldiers operating the tank then opened a hatch used for entering and exiting the tank, and briefly talked to the man.

smuglord cURiOuS

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[–] Future_Honkey@hexbear.net 62 points 1 week ago

Im so tired of libs thinking they're clever/cute. Hey op!? When you're actually curious, come on back. We'll be ready to help when the veil falls off.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 61 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

That dude was upset about the tanks. He walked in front of them and they stopped. He climbed up onto the front one and had a conversation with the soldiers inside. Then he got down and walked away. That's what the video shows.

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[–] archomrade@midwest.social 60 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I very nearly thought this was a bit until I read the responses

Doubtless, you'll go back to your main instance and report back that you learned a new perspective and weren't permabanned for 'just asking questions'. Im excited for your upcoming post on MoG summarizing your experience

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[–] CredibleBattery@hexbear.net 59 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] KrasMazov@lemmygrad.ml 56 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 56 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It’s truly exhausting to see people still using the term “tankie” in 2025

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[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 55 points 1 week ago (25 children)

Lmao two day old Reddit refugee here to own us but they don't know there's a video of him walking away

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[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 47 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

I'm like, 90/10 on them being this loser: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/21641836/12769312

EDIT: just to clarify, I'm 100% sure OP is not the OP of the linked thread, I'm fairly certain they're the commenter in the linked comment.

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[–] gramxi@hexbear.net 55 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

🤖 this doesn't look like anything to me

Edit: okay after reading the thread, I guess this isn't badposting. OP you gotta understand, in most places, this would have been removed for being a low quality post or be taken as intentional shitpost for people to joke about. You would have gotten many more sincere responses if you posed a question in the title and elaborated in the body what specific information you were seeking.

[–] Dimmer06@hexbear.net 53 points 1 week ago (3 children)
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[–] Pili@hexbear.net 53 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hey guys what's going on here? meow-popcorn

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 48 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Best slop we've had in a while, I hope WhiskeyOaks starts another thread tomorrow so we can do this again.

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[–] mar_k@hexbear.net 50 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 49 points 1 week ago
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