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[–] adm@lemm.ee 337 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

When the war was turning in Ukraine's favor and they were about to push into Russia, he shut it off and crippled their counter offensive. I remember. Fuck Elon and fuck starlink.

[–] takeda@lemm.ee 169 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not push into Russia, but attempting to retake Crimea.

[–] egrets@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

~~They're presumably talking about the Kursk Oblast.~~ Edit: probably not, see responses.

[–] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 1 week ago (1 children)

IIRC that was long after that. The initial shutoff of Starlink happened around the explosions targeting the Crimean bridge and them introducing their naval drones.

[–] takeda@lemm.ee 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Exactly, he basically messed up the offensive to retake Crimea.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Elon & Trump are Russia's greatest weapons.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Which is why Starlink needs to be confiscated and managed by NATO. Somebody has to operate it, and it should be an entity who is on the side of Freedom amd Democracy.

[–] starman@programming.dev 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's not that easy to confiscate sattelites

[–] Mandrilleren@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sure it is. You just confiscate the infrastructure that operates them here on earth, and order their employees to comply.

I don't think that this would be a good idea, but it is definitely doable.

When it comes to stuff like this, the USA is like a tax heaven: outside of international jurisdiction and never signed any cooperation agreement with foreign powers. The USA is the best place to run shady business right now

[–] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Musk and Starlink aren't major difference makers in this war. It's a years-long slog where the main takeaway is "cheap and reliable in volume is more than a match for the newest and fanciest." It hasn't been on the verge of turning in Ukraine's favor since the end of Russia's initial push towards Kyiv.

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Is that why you guys are welding cages on your tanks?

[–] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 week ago

"Everyone who disagrees with me is a Russian" was ran into the ground five years ago, get new material.

But yes, a steel cage offering significant protection against much more modern technology is a great example of what I'm talking about.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I have a buddy who's been eating/sleeping/breathing this war and, hands down, cheap and reliable FPV drones have changed how warfare is done. It's the main reason why trench warfare came back, and one of the things that fucked Russia up in the mid-term. Apparently they have a long-standing strategy that involves armor and something something something that my buddy explained and I don't remember, but because there's always drones watching every inch of the front at all times, Ukraine was able to bust that strat by being able to dial in artillery fast and early. At least, that's how I'm remembering what was explained.

[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's not rly the ability of drones to observe that makes them so strong, but the ability to attack. Russia's air defense is unable to stop a drone swarm, especially because its something the world hasn't yet seen. And if two drones armed with explosives take down a bigass helicopter, that's a massive win.

A few weeks ago, Ukraine decimated an oil refinery on russian territory with a swarm of drones of which only 40% were taken down by the russian air defense.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think it might be more fair to say that it isn't just the ability to observe. Drones have absolutely transformed the modern battlefield.

[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

Certainly true. But observing is something we could do for a long time with satellites.

[–] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 week ago

cheap and reliable in volume

cheap and reliable FPV drones have changed how warfare is done

We're in agreement here. I'm not saying new technology is useless, I'm saying there aren't any wonder weapons (or wonder communication systems) that would have given Ukraine a decisive advantage.

Long-term, it's still a matter of which side can outproduce the other when it comes to the cheap and reliable equipment we're talking about. At this point that's clearly Russia.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

Oh no I'm hearing from people that wa a technical glitch.