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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 58 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

For the people like me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_and_Tans

The Black and Tans (Irish: Dúchrónaigh) were constables recruited into the Royal Irish Constabulary (RIC) as reinforcements during the Irish War of Independence.[1][2] Recruitment began in Great Britain in January 1920, and about 10,000 men enlisted during the conflict. The majority were unemployed former British soldiers from England, Scotland and Wales who had fought in the First World War. Some sources count Irish recruits to the RIC from 1920 as "Black and Tans."[3][4][5][6][7]

The Black and Tans had a reputation for brutality; they committed murder, arson and looting and became notorious for reprisal attacks on civilians and civilian property. Their actions further swayed Irish public opinion against British rule and drew condemnation in Britain. The Black and Tans were sometimes confused with the Auxiliary Division, a counterinsurgency unit of the RIC, also recruited during the conflict and made up of former British officers.[8] At the time, "Black and Tans" was sometimes used for both groups.[3][9] Another force, the Ulster Special Constabulary (commonly called the "B-Specials"), was founded in 1920 to reinforce the RIC in Northern Ireland.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Which sure makes this pretty awkward

especially considering that it's pretty good for a macro.

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

That's just a ruined half pint of Guinness, so, aptly named

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Do they sell it in Ireland? Does everyone go silent or is it funny awkward no matter where they sell it? Having just found out about this today, before this, I probably would have made a huge mistake and order it and joke around about why everyone is so uncomfortable.

[–] nickwitha_k 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You can order a "half & half" but, probably will need to explain and get dirty looks for perceived crimes against Guinness (I think it's a great drink, the Irish tend to be a bit protective of their stout though, in my experience).

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

I have found that to be dependent on what you mix it with. I had it where they mixed it with shit beer, so of course it's going to taste like shit. This is in America though.

[–] JudahBenHur@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago

I've never seen any yungling here. there are some people who order "black and tan" at a bar (stout and ale mixed) and Ive seen a guy from west belfast get pretty pissed off that they said the term at

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I've never seen those for sale here for what it's worth.

I have heard of black and tan drink before which I believe is half Guinness half beer / ale but I've never had one or seen one ordered.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They have to know though, right? Where else would they sell it that there wouldn't be Irish people there. I guess the mixing it half and half would piss them off from the get go anyway? "Might as well just go all the way, full asshole."

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Almost certainly. Maybe it tastes nice. Not something I'd be rushing to try mind you.

Everyone goes silent. It is at best a faux pas. Just. Don't. It's disrepectful.

[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's also specifically a reference to the song of the same name: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Come_Out,_Ye_Black_and_Tans

Fun fact: it only reached #29 in Ireland but got to #1 in Scotland as part of a long held rivalry between the two countries over which one hates the English more.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think Ireland is winning cause they're 26/32 parts free from the British

[–] NotLemming@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago

Don't forget that after they were disbanded,.many of the notorious scum went to Palestine. Yep, that Palestine.