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Can we stop treating the "national security" and "endangering our troops" takes as if they make sense? Bombing brown people isn't national security.
They aren’t trying the win the minds of people who already agree with them.
There are different words and different views of morality and liberty to different groups. This is speaking to the common sense of the right voters in their own language and values. Loyalty, pride in country over dictators, armed service as personal sacrifice for the greater population.
Reds and blues actually agree on almost everything they just explain it completely differently and fight while agreeing. The politicians however are like cartoons of the farthest views to cover for lobbyists running our government since like 1980.
Adding to what the other guy said, trying to get Republicans to convert to your side through FACTS and LOGIC is a fool's errand. Always has been, always will be. This is why the Democrats keep losing; they focus too much on the enemy and not nearly enough on their own base (which, I should say, already outnumbers the enemy massively; they frankly don't need anybody else).
This is why people don't vote. They believe their vote doesn't count and I've yet to see Democrats hop on that wagon and ride it to town. Like, do it while it's still true, fools!
At the same time using such framing reinforces the very foundations of Fascism in their minds such as the Racism (bombing brown people is fine), Nationalism, Militarism, "Might is right" and so on.
I've lived in a couple of countries, including the UK which also displays a similar mindset to the US, and my conclusion when I saw Brexit up close over there is that the line from the constant cultivation of Nationalism and Delusions of Grandeur amongst the population by pretty much the whole of the Mainstream Media, to Brexit, is pretty direct - people were both Racist against other Europeans and believed Britain would get whatever it wanted from the EU when it left it (hence favored Leave) exactly because during their whole lives they were constantly fed by both politicians and the press a view of Great Britain where the "great" wasn't just a reference to the physical size of their main island.
To me it seems the US suffers from this problem to a larger extent than Britain (for example, Brits aren't made to, in school as kids, constantly repeat the pledge of allegiance), so keeping on reinforcing this, especially in the minds of far right muppets, isn't going to help.
Besides, a lot of the Trump vote seems to have come from people being crushed by the system in the US who were swindled with the far-right siren-song of "blame foreigners", so maybe Democrat figures should be focusing on being "the Party that cares" rather than just carry on playing the strings of Militarism and Nationalism alongside the other guys: being attractive to far-right muppets (i.e. a slightly less Fascist party with some make-believe identitarian bullshit that's still racist as shit - hence perfectly happy with massacring brown people - just with different "worthy identities") isn't exactly delivering a Democrat party that's worth having and what would be real worth it was a party that tries to improve the lives of the many thus attracting voters from amongst the disenfranchised that Trump swindled and is currently busy betraying, and that path doesn't need to blow the far-right dog whistles of Nationalism and Militarism.
This type of "By you're own logic" framing doesn't actually get results. All it does is reinforce a militarist viewpoint as the natural default for Democrats, as well as Republicans.
No it literally works. It’s been working for thousands of years.
What do you think the Bible is?
Sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean. What does the bible have to do with it?
I agree with you 100%. However, they could have been talking about anything else, hence the national security tag. In this case it just happened to be bombing brown people.
National insecurity
Whilst I agree that in this particular case there wasn't much of a threat to troops (even if the Houthis knew beforehand I highly doubt they have any capabilities to take down US jets), the main national security issue is what this means, that high ranking officials are exchanging top secret information on insecure chanels. If a foreign adversary were to hack their phones, or if like this case, someone who shouldn't have been added was added and the info was leaked, this could lead to much more sensitive and dangerous information getting to the wrong hands.
They do have the capability to take down some jets I read somewhere.