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i like how you make this sound like users are the ones at fault for not liking shitty things, how about mozilla tries earning money without making the world worse?
The internet runs on either ads, data harvesting, donations or the goodwill of solo developers. Firefox cannot generate revenue with ads or data and currently gets money from donations via Google and other companies. Are you expecting goodwill?
Personally, I'm fine with Google giving money to Firefox to be the default search. Keeps my browser in business and I just change the search. I don't see a problem here.
Absolutely. If you're privacy focussed enough to use Firefox then you can change a default browser in minutes if not seconds.
Which makes you wonder what's the actual motive here
Financing the continued development of Firefox is the motive.
I meant of taking away Google's ability to pay to be search default.
I am. Why not make it a nonprofit and get the money from donations?
I think you underestimate the costs of development.
I believe the Firefox development organization could be a lot leaner, and not all of the work has to be directly salaried. There are plenty of huge open source projects that are progressing fine without being run by a single for-profit company. E.g. the Apache ecosystem, the Linux foundation projects, FreeBSD, etc.
A huge chunk of FreeBSD and Linux development is done by salaried workers who want specific functionality. Microsoft is the biggest contributor to the Linux kernel for instance. I don't think there is much apetite for that in web browsers. Linux is an industry leader in the server space, adding features to it that complement whatever you make for profit is a good move. Firefox is unfortunately barely relavent in the browser space, if your product relies on Firefox exclusive features it isn't going to go well for you.
I think that if that was feasible a successful project would exist already to develop it. it is not like people does not want it to exist. sure, there are tons of projects making variations of existing browsers but none of them do much besides minor tweaks.
From the top of my head Servo is the closest one and it has a big head start since mozilla developed originally. and that is just an engine, not a full browser.
I think such projects don't exist precisely because Mozilla is still developing it. If Mozilla abandons Firefox then someone else will take up the torch.
Firefox is a way for them to make money for their charitable projects. Always has been.
They've been opening secondary streams of income -- also via Firefox, like pocket and stuff, but it's unclear whether that would even allow them to keep developing Firefox. It certainly would mean that Mozilla doesn't have any money left over to give to others which is their main purpose of existing.
how
Let me donate directly to Firefox development. Stop giving their terrible executives giant piles of money.