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Not effective in defeating fascism, no.
Liberals achieved their goal of taking over and deescalating any actual potential leftism , which was their actual goal.
Gotta keep actual protests smothered so Amerikkka can go to war with Iran
Saying this is a pretty strong indicator of Not Paying Attention Syndrome. What "potential leftism" was derailed by these protests?
The way people on Hexbear have been talking about 50501 and No Kings and stuff couldn't make it more obvious that they've simply never bothered to engage with them to any extent. It's a bunch of fart-sniffing online "leftists" who are too cool to go to where literally millions of people are in political motion because you imagine that their politics are gross and irredeemably bad.
I'm gonna write up a separate post admonishing all you losers instead of just you in this one comment.
yeah how dare dirt_owl not hop a 15 hour flight to go be among their community in a city they've never been to in a country they don't live in to protest a government that isn't theirs
why talk shit about it then
The anti-deportation protests that were crushed by the military had the potential to become another summer of uprisings.
Although of course the uprisings in 2020 weren't really "leftist" and were just an outpouring of outrage from the masses, and of course there is no organized left to lead the masses towards productive action, but the purpose of No Kings was certainly to help Trump prevent unrest.
Exactly this. Spontaneous, locally focused restistance to not just ICE raids but any militarised law enforcement was popping off organically with an increasing move towards organising local defense.
Then the libs come in with their Walmart & Democratic party sponsorship, turn it into a cop-friendly teaparty while actively harrassing actual organisers for things like Black Panther merch, wearing masks, or displaying keffiyehs (two of the organisers are dedicated zionists), drawing people away from the actual neighbourhoods that are in need of defense to their Instagram oppurtunities in city centres instead, before commiting to a coverup with the help of police after their armed designated 'peacekeepers' killed a protestor and tried to murder another before conspiring with law enforcement to smear him as a mass shooter and terrorist and pinning a murder charge on him.
By making sure the protests become a US patriotism parade with a focus on nonviolence and cooperation with the right-wing state. It tames any real escalation and just turns it into another Occupy Wall Street.
You seem to think I'm telling people to do nothing? Why? Is the only alternative to nothing to dress up like a slave owner and kiss US army ass?
ok
I've been out there with these people since they started coming to the local protests my comrades and I started back in February. They absolutely have been deescalating any actual potential leftism because they give people the idea that the neolibs will swoop in and save the day rather than looking for a better solution to our billionaire beholden, two party farce of a democracy. I've been able to reach quite a few people by being a consistent, reliable person there but when indivisible rolls up trying to get people to vote for them rather than organizing their local communities, it's redirecting people's energy towards the wrong thing.
Saying we're a bunch of keyboard warriors that aren't out there hitting the pavement is almost the same as saying the 2A conservatives are the only ones with guns.
damn, you better give up and just let indivisble have the movement
if you don't want democrats to take over, you need to get out there and take over
Could you give me some advice on how to instantaneously win over millions of hearts and minds? Or are you saying I should just roll over and let the neolibs do their thing?
Oh, I'm sorry, is doing revolutionary organizing gonna take time and work and dealing with annoying people? Is the struggle a struggle?
You need to actually put in some fucking work, learn, build skills, build an organization, and deploy that organization to these protests to win people over. I'm doing it every single fucking day and it has been productive. It has moved large numbers of people closer to the politics we need. Your belief that we need to invent a Convince the Masses of Communism button and press it or lose is exactly why I'm calling you a loser. You're gonna need to talk to people who might not already agree with you, and who might not even agree with you after you talk to them!
I get your criticisms, but if you go back and read @calidris@hexbear.net"s comment, he says he's doing exactly what you're advocating and is expressing some frustration with people who are tugging on the other end of the rope.
If you're engaging with people in real life the same way you are on here, I'm surprised you're able to make any progress. And if you don't, why do you have more patience with them than you do with us?
Frankly because you all should know better. Instead the site is filled with politically demobilizing idealistic takes. My audience right now is the self-righteous strain of political disengagement from a bunch of people who supposedly want to build communism on a website known for crude and blunt communication.
Okay but you're getting multiple replies from people doing the thing you want them to do and expressing some frustration over the experience and your response has been to continue to do your best R. Lee Ermey impression at them.
i'm mad red and nude and there's nothing you can do about it
ok but yes I concede that @calidris@hexbear.net is doing the right thing and I apologize for lumping them in with the rest of the people on here who are very much not. Sorry calidris, you do not deserve to be a target of my scorn.
I wholeheartedly accept your apology. We need leftist unity in all things.
Sometimes we just need a kick in the ass, just tryna point out that there's also been what looks to me like good faith engagement.
I would imagine crude and blunt is a multiple times a day encounter IRL, too. At least where I am. Don't get me wrong, so are ill intentions couched in polite wordcraft, so skill when conversing with either is necessary. Online is practice.
Protesting trump does fuck all. It just feeds his ego that the left are mad at him. Unless you're prepared to get violent, you're just wasting your time.
I went to an indivisible protest. They're completely worthless
100%, the indivisible protest organizers are our enemies and we should see them as such. But they aren't the same as the masses of attendees, who are what we need to be contesting for. Call your own 50501 protest, organize it, put it out there, and advance a radical line. It works. That's how you defeat our enemies.
Stick to that line then instead of calling everyone idiots and assholes. It's nice that you got liberals to clap at communism,mow try to apply those same skills of persuasion to communists and maybe you'd have a shred of credibility here