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Trump supporters post names and addresses of Georgia grand jurors online
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I looked at the indictment last night and noticed it included the names of the grand jurors. I dropped my head into my hands, knowing this was inevitable. I don't understand why the names weren't reacted.
Georgia law is that grand jurors names are public.
Yeah, pretty naive. Or evil. Maybe both?
It prevents loading the jury to get a specific outcome. That said, it should come with protection or a delay or something.
Not saying it is, but showing me, a regular citizen, these names convinces me the jury wasn't loaded? Does the defendant have no role in Grand jury selection?
No, the defendant doesn’t. This isn’t a trial jury, it’s the Fulton County Grand Jury. The GJ sits for an extended period (maybe a month, someone step in and correct me if I’m wrong) and listens to cases brought by the prosecutor. The GJ job is to decide if the prosecutor has enough of a case to indict. It seems in this case, she did.
Just to clarify, the sitting grand jury does not then sit on the jury for the trial.
That's generally right. In Fulton County they sit for two months. There were two different grand jurys here, though.
There was a Special Grand Jury who met for 8 months and investigated the specific crimes related to the Trump case. They issued a report in January detailing all of the evidence that they heard.
In GA, though, a Special Grand Jury can't issue an indictment. The report was passed to a normal grand jury who heard all of the evidence, then issued the indictment. That grand jury was first seated on July 11th.
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I didn't know that. I wish they had a process for applying to redact, for cases like this :(
Do you in GA whether grand jurors are professionals or pulled in for random jury duty?
~~Pretty sure grand Jurors are professionals in most if not all common law states.~~
A couple of the peoples titles on the list pointed me towards that they are.
Edit: I'm pretty certain I'm wrong. There's something else I must be confusing it with
There's all kinds of laws like this that are super old, and really harmful in modern life. Like name changes having to be published in the paper, and home ownership being public information. Sorry trans people, if you want to legally change your name, you have to be out to everyone! And don't even think about buying a house if there's someone you don't want knowing where you live, like an abusive family member or ex!
They're left over from times when information was harder to come by, and they absolutely need to be changed, but our governments are bad at legislating for modern problems
Well that is a problem that is fading away.
Maybe for you.
🤔 Is it possible for an abuse victim to buy a house through an LLC to avoid that problem? How does that work for real estate businesses?
It is actually! I have a friend who's dad is extremely libertarian (despite having been a marine?), And he bought his house under an LLC for pricacy's sake. I'm sure it would work for less crazy reasons as well
There needs to be a nonprofit that helps victims set up such things so they can hide from their abusers.
Interesting. I wonder if you could buy a home zoned for single family, sell it to a LLC that you run, then rent it out to two families (if one is your own) since it is now commercial rental.
From what I've read, living in a house you buy yourself makes it lose most of the protection of an LLC, because you have "pierced the corporate veil". All it really ends up doing is protecting your identity
Unfortunately, while you're citing lots of very valid cases of innocent people being victimized, I also think that the trail of information that follows people is very important for systems of justice.
Imagine criminals getting away with white collar crime, having changed their name to make it more difficult for people to publicly scrutinize them.
I can't quite imagine what protections might make sense to keep trans people safe, and it's hard for me to think about which group should be prioritized. Of course, ideally, we'd live in a world where anyone retaliating to someone's gender transition would be headed for a hard time themselves.
In that case our government has failed to do this. Who owns your mortgage? It was repackaged into a mortgage backed security with thousands of owners. Who owns that commercial property that has been sitting idle for thirty years? Owned by nested shell companies.
Another reason why mortgaged backed securities should be criminalized.
Very well. Please pick a property not paid off on your block and tell me every single owner, including people who own a millionth of a percent of it via 401ks. I want names, precents, legal terms that they are operating under, and purchase date(s). I will except CSV format only.
A mortgage backed security is a structured debt derivative contract which is backed by the cash flow of the loan, via the issuing bank. It doesn't actually grant any ownership rights to the underlying asset itself.
Fancy words for it is a share of ownership with an abstraction layer for bailouts.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/19/homes/black-homeowner-home-appraisal-feseries/index.html
People like this?
No way. How stupid can you be lol
As I understand this is the law of the state, it would've been illegal to not make the names public. The reasoning is based on transparency -- secret jurors would make for less trust.
Well, I hope the state is prepared to spend a shitton of money on protecting these people. Trump supporters aren't the most stable of people.
See: FISA
Basically the "kernel of truth" that gave us deep state idiocy.