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I mean this would work except it's not your house, you offered a public opinion in a community that encourages debate. It's almost like this is an expected reaction to posting something on Lemmy.
But of course I'd expect the person that keeps accusing me of having poor literacy to have that understanding.
And you don't understand what sealioning is. Also unsurprising.
@dastanktal@lemmy.ml also won't propose an alternative course of action like a serious person would.
Bingo.
He's whining and crying without proposing any actually viable solutions. He's simply working in opposition to the best option we have, especially over the next few elections.
I am not even saying that my idea is the end all be all, but I am open to hearing amendments and actionable alternatives.
Do you guys not know what going to like your local volunteer organizations is?
Like do you think volunteering at your local org is just doing nothing?
Bunch of idealistic babies
And its going to be harder if legislation is passed to make that illegal. Hence why we should be showing up to vote to give us as much space as possible to do so and grow our progressive movements. Tankies ignore this because they are not serious about achieving goals.
The tankies would meet up regardless of the law. Because they know how important organizing and assembling is. Liberals would give them to the cops.
You really think Trump is going to pass legislation making all volunteer organizations illegal? Furthermore you really think all volunteer organizations are just going to stop doing their thing because they were found to be illegal?
This is just a stupid Counterpoint because in the United Kingdom where the left lib party is objectively and control they've already restricted the ability to organize.
Do you think Biden was given sunshine and rainbows out when he was involved in helping break up the Palestinian protest on the college campuses?
Don't pretend that the Democrats are your friend. And don't pretend that they won't put up as many roadblocks to prevent us from getting the rights that we want as the Republicans do.
If you want an active example go look at Zohran Mamdani and the type of organization that Democrats do to ensure that these type of progressives cannot survive in the DNC.
Do you think you work would be better done if you didn't have to do it undercover? You could help way more people if you had the room to do so... guess what, that is the elections front of the [class] war. Your neglect of it is harming our movement as a whole. The fact you don't care makes you a bad ally and unserious about achieving goals.
The work has to be done regardless and we don't let silly things such as what's legal and illegal stop us from doing such work.
It would be better not to work undercover but as I said before there's no guarantee under either political Administration about the right for a radical group to assemble wouldn't be restricted so your point is moot.
You're neglect of doing literally any other work other than electoral advocacy it's part of the reason the United States is in this mess and a major reason why the fascists are in the White House.
And the fact you don't care means that you will be limited in what you can do. That makes your movement moot and not serious.
Again. I never said elections are the only think. I am saying that they are important.
Yeah I have a lot of historical Freedom Fighter groups that would disagree with your premise. In particular the ANC would like a word.
As would the Bolsheviks
Well those freedom fighters al had a political party to set terms with their opponents and organize tangible material gains for supporters. Your lack of voting means you don't have that DNC or 3rd party, so yeah you are not a serious freedom fighter, nor are you working to have a true organization.
They made their own political party and did not use the one that pre-existed. Also they weren't solely focused on electoralism as even one of their most important aspects of the fight. They were focused on using electoralism to get their message out. They were focused on using electoralism to show how electoralism couldn't save them from their problems which directly led to the October Revolution.
I've also never said that you shouldn't vote for third party or work with third party only that you shouldn't waste a ton of time with parties focused on electoralism.
It's wonderful to be told what I mean over and over and over again when I've said quite clearly what I meant
100% and because of that they had leadership and structure to start their revolution. A thing you never will because you won't show up to vote and build out the movement. Tankies are not serious about the material conditions and getting results.
Yeah sure if you keep repeating the line about "tankies" not taking things seriously somebody will believe you.
Somebody doesn't understand what local organization is.
Well, when i see tankies being serious about the reality that the most vulnerable is facing then i will see them as a serious group.
Lol I will let my comrades know that locally organizing doesn't count as political action. They will get a good laugh from that
Let them know to vote as well.
I will leave that for them to decide.
Be sure to show them the full thread.
I will they'll be riveted by your epistemology.
I'm sure they'd say something like "Just vote third party!" or "Just overthrow the government!", ignoring that harm reduction assists projects like serious third party attempts (rather than the perennial Hail Mary every four years and no serious work on the local level actually building a fucking party) and organizing the proletariat against oppression (which becomes immensely more difficult under increased pressure from capital or from the inside of a fucking concentration camp)
Asking for you to support your position and if you have a source for it is a fallacy?
Man you must be popular at The Debate Club.
Don't answer any questions and just accuse people of being illiterate and using fallacies when you don't want to answer a question. What a wonderful strategy you have displayed for us