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With massive cuts to Healthcare it is only a matter of time before the US is fully medieval again.

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[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Doesn't like over half of Europeans (and their descendants) have partial immunity because of what happened eight hundred years ago?

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The plague didn't disappear. But yes, many people did get some form of natural immunity, since no other plague outbreak in Europe had that many casualties ever again.

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There are three separate biovars of blubonic plague. Each of them are associated with a historical major pandemic with high numbers of casualties: Antiqua, Medievalis, and Orientalist.

The pathogen also infects more than 200 species of animals including sheep and domestic cats.

Although fleas are the most famous vector it can also be transmitted by ticks, lice, and direct pneumonic transmission (droplet transmission of >2m). It's theorized that the majority of plague victims in 14th century contracted the disease from pneumonic transmission.

Plague has mutated and wiped out huge amounts of the population 3 times already in history. It will likely do it again.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And that is what is frightening. A new super plague absolutely could develop that would fuck us up something fierce.

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Statistically speaking:

"A new super plague WILL develop that WILL fuck us up something fierce."

The when it will happen is where the fun is at.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Yes/No. The plague was a bacterial infection so there is not really such thing as immunity. Meaning everyone can still get the plugue. Buttttt yes there was people who had a gene that made it so their immune system was better suited to kill off the bacteria infection when they had it. By all means those people still would die, but their odds off fighting off near any bacterial infection were much higher. So for instance if they got a bacteria infection from say coughing way to much or sinus pressure causing an ear infection while having allergies, their bodies response would recognize the infection forming sooner, and start fighting it sooner/in a more effective manner. Being that the survival of the plague was significantly different for those who had such genetic difference, a lot of people who died didn't pass down their genes that would have not had them, and the survivors who did have them were more likely to survive and breed with their non blood line and spread that gene into the population.

I guess the whole reason I said partially no was just the word immune. It's a word that broke the belief in vaccinations in the United States (and some others I'm sure) when it came to understanding COVID vaccinations.

Would the COVID vaccination make you immune from getting the virus, no. But mRNA vaccines like that in my understanding work with the same intention of teaching your body via a protein(might not always be a protein?) to recognize a particular issue developing in the body and knowing to address that issue sooner.

That said they have developed a single shot mRNA plague "vaccine" that if those without the gene in their bloodline had, should give them the same quicker immune response to the plague, thus making them near immune to dying from the plague.

Someone more informed in case someone finds that neat, I did. https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adg1036

[–] Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'd say it is immunity.

Sure, you're not immune (as in will never get the disease itself, let alone its symptomps), but it is your immune system getting a boost.

First it was innoculation with live bacteria. Then came traditional vaccines with half-dead ones. Now it's mRNA, meaning just the part the immune system actually needs is extracted beforehand.

Sure, it's just wordplay that causes issues with the media/perception. Many people were saying well if you can still get COVID what's the point of getting vaccinated, because you aren't immune. And then those people didn't like it if you asked them what the point of wearing a seat belt was because it doesn't prevent you from getting into a car accident, just decreased the chance you will die or get seriously injured in the crash.

Which inevitably, ended with people then swearing off seatbelts. I agree though, it's like giving your immune system an upgrade.