Socialism

I am part of the working class, but if criticizing the state takes me out of the category then I’d have a problem.

Standing against the socialist state doesn't take you out of the working class, it just means you have become a class traitor. Critique is valuable, and necessary. Critique based on metaphysics, idealism, and all manner of unscientific grounding is not genuine critique for the sake of a better future, but instead just a tool to be magnified by the bourgeoisie in restoring their rule.

Says me. That is my stance. You may be okay with that, I’d not be, though.

If socialism is dependent on censorship for its success, then I do not see socialism succeeding as a good thing. If socialism is truly good for the country, then under a system without censorship and with an education system that adequately teaches people to use reason independently and come to their own conclusions without enforcing propaganda, I would assume it should lead to the majority being in favour of socialism anyway.

And this, dear reader, is why we actually analyze history, rather than simply hoping that despite all historical analysis, surely this time letting capitalists have free speech will not backfire. There is no successful revolution that has not cracked down on the tools available to the bourgeoisie to restore their order, as all who failed to do so have crumbled. For the sake of your insistence that fascists and capitalists be given equal rights to that of the proletariat, you work against the socialist state, as a reactionary.

It’s funny you say this given socialist states disallow criticism of socialism too, so it’s really not different in that regard.

No, you're conflating the censorship of disinformation and fomenting anti-socialist sentiment with all criticism. Criticism is necessary for growth, but all criticism has a definite class character to it, a definite class outlook. It is only working class outlook that should stand in socialist society.

Alright, if there was criticism against CPC that would be helpful, but the south china morning post you linked to apparently doesn’t have anything to do with the CPC but is about BiliBili cracking down on adult content? Searching for the terms “CPC” and “party” returned 0 results on that link.

Who do you think is censoring posts in BiliBili?

Positive claims, yes, I mean that. You’re admitting to working from a biased position where you don’t have a problem making authoritative claims about China when it comes to the positive, but then not doing the same when it comes to the negative (or discouraging others from doing so).

Everyone has biases. There is no such thing as an "unbiased" position. I have regularly encouraged you to do 2 things:

1. Study more, be it theory, history, and practice.

2. Focus on problems that you actually can impact, in your country. Oppose your country's imperialism (as I'm near certain you live in an imperialist country). Organize for socialism.

I am not about to restrict myself to a hyperspecific and narrow definition of the type of violence that matters and warrants discussion. I will not waffle over specific jargon either because pedantic usage of certain words is not important to me. Violence is something I am concerned about and is however something I’d want to discuss, and China is not as innocent as you like to portray it as.

Class analysis is critical. If you ignore it, you equate all violence, when violence is sadly an unavoidable aspect of the class struggle itself. There have been no non-violent revolutions, and revolutionary violence is violence that ends the daily violence of capitalism and imperialism.

I can provide evidence for this, but I already know you won’t waste a moment to assert that every single instance of China’s human rights failures are a hoax and never happened to begin with, or that they are progressing, or some other framing that makes them less than what they are.

Let's see what you have to offer.

China being the country with the highest number of yearly executions, in the thousands, being higher than Iran and Saudi Arabia: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2026/05/executions-surge-highest-recorded-figure-44-years/

China is the second most populous country on the planet. You'll need to do more than that.

China on the erasure of Tibetan and minority languages: https://www.tibetanreview.net/chinas-new-language-law-to-criminalise-advocacy-of-ethnic-minority-rights/

This is bullshit. Tibetan culture is protected, not erased. What's criminalized is the desire to restore the slave-based system of earlier Tibet, back when the Dalai Lama was backed by the CIA and the PLA liberated it. Tibetan Review is funded by the exile government, the state based on slavery and torture.

China on creating laws to bury evidence of the Uyghur genocide: https://uyghurtimes.com/china-enacts-sweeping-secrecy-law-in-uyghur-region-to-silence-witnesses-and-bury-evidence-of-crimes/

Epistemic violence against the Uyghur population: https://globalvoices.org/2026/03/11/the-normalization-of-uyghur-repression-in-the-name-of-social-governance-in-china/

There is no Uyghur genocide, this is an example of China censoring disinformation, and you're proving this to be the correct decision. After all, the west gets to accuse socialist countries of all manner of atrocities in order to manufacture consent for war. Sorry to tell you, but the "free flow of information" you value in the west is just the free flow of disinformation. Read Xinjiang: A Report and Resource Compilation, nearly the entirety of claims of genocide circle back to US-paid propagandist Adrian Zenz of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation.

After the introduction of the vocational schools and other de-radicalizing programs, western-backed ETIM terrorist attacks and mass murders went down dramatically, to practically 0.

Chinese authorities blocking life-saving treatment for human rights (land) activist: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2026/03/china-authorities-block-life-saving-kidney-treatment-for-woman-activist-ahead-of-major-government-meetings/

As for Yang Li, I cannot find much on her, only that "human rights organizations" like Minsheng Guancha that seem to always be in trouble for opposing socialism seem to have her in a few articles. She may or may not even be real, or her story may be heavily doctored for western uses. The west uses accusations of "human rights abuses" all the time in order to give ammo against geopolitical enemies.

Given what you count as "proof" elsewhere, I'll remain skeptical.

I have seen enough videos of Uyghur people being oppressed by China and them coming out and speaking about their terrible experiences to know the Uyghur genocide is not a hoax, and that is not something I am debating.

If that's all it takes to get you to believe in atrocity propaganda, I can only assume you believe white genocide in South Africa is real, that Iraq had WMD, that Iran killed 40,000 protestors recently, and that Hamas beheaded numerous babies during Al-Aqsa Flood. If you aren't already familiar with how disinformation works, and are more than comfortable using it as ammo, then yes, you probably would fall into the category of reactionary.

Though I don’t expect you to place any weight on any of the other areas either.

I've done more research on each of these topics than you have, I guarantee it. I place far more weight on them than you have, it seems you're more interested in the narrative they present than their factual basis.

I am not trying to “win” this. You are free to view my disinterest as convenient.

More than that, I view it as dishonest.