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Is Taiwan a settler colonial state? (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 3 days ago by KalergiPlanner@lemmygrad.ml to c/asklemmygrad@lemmygrad.ml

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I remember when I was first learning about settler colonialism, I thought to myself: “Huh, this sounds like Taiwan and Israel” My instincts were correct on Israel, but I never looked too deeply into Taiwan. The fact that the Kuomintang displaced the Austronesian natives is a pretty strong indicator, but is Taiwan really a settler colonial state or are my intuitions wrong?

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[–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Malaysia absolutely is if Taiwan is. And I'm pretty sure there were Celtics or Picts in the Netherlands before Germanic/Frankish tribes moved in.

[–] demeritum@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Picts in the Netherlands…

We don’t know who lived in the Netherlands before germanics moved in (this isn’t settler colonialism btw) but in the south did live germanic-celtic mixed cultures.

[–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Picts and the Basques were in Europe longer than any other ethnic groups we're aware of and the fact that Pictish is the closest anyone's found to a related language to Euskara, their ancestors were both evidently spread much further than just Navarre and Northern Britain. If you want to guess what culture was there before the Germans and Celts moved in, it's likely from that language family.

[–] demeritum@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 day ago

The theory of Picts being related to the basques and speaking a non-Indo-European language is no longer widely supported in academia. It was likely a different branch of the Celtic language family.

And if anything I would presume a Tyrsenian peoples related to the etruscans and rhaetians lived in pre-celtic/germanic central europe.

[–] KalergiPlanner@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

"I’m pretty sure there were Celtics or Picts in the Netherlands before Germanic/Frankish tribes" I think we might just have a completely different view of settler colonialism here if you think settler colonialism predated capitalism. Settler colonialism is not mere demographic change though settler colonialism always leads to demographic change, thinking that can lead to some dangerous conclusions.

Malaysia was a bad example, so my bad on that. I think I need to study that topic further. I was under the impression that though it does have internal settler colonies, it as a whole isn't a settler colony, but the comment below makes me think twice on that.

[–] demeritum@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Malaysia is a settler colony due to their possession of Sarawak in Borneo and the first peoples of the Malay peninsula.

[–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 day ago

I think we might just have a completely different view of settler colonialism here if you think settler colonialism predated capitalism. Settler colonialism is not mere demographic change though settler colonialism always leads to demographic change,

Just casting a very wide net for all the different definitions I'm used to getting.

Considering that the Han ethnic group started settling Taiwan long before the advent of capitalism, and that the island has no significant natural resources to pilfer/extract, I think you can safely conclude that it's not a settler colony.