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[–] DScratch@sh.itjust.works 249 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Merging at the last minute is the correct way to do it.

Zipper merge, you fucks!

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 69 points 23 hours ago

thank you. the math agrees, too. zipper merges are the way to go!

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 64 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Depends. If there’s lots of traffic, yes. If it’s sparse enough that you can merge without slowing people down too much, just do it early.

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 78 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Yeah, that's the big asterisk on the "zipper merging is more efficient" premise. It assumes that things are already bottlenecked. If you have the space to merge early without slowing down, you do that. People trying to force their way in at the last minute (when they didn't have to) is one of the things that triggers the bottleneck in the first place.

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 12 points 21 hours ago

K but people don't tend to complain about those driving down the empty lane if there is no bottle neck.

Obviously if you're racing down to cut someone off, that's just as rude as any unsafe merge, but thats not unique to zipper merging, so is it relevant?

[–] rainwall@piefed.social 12 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

Zipper merge is always the most efficient if people dont prevent merges, regardless of road conditions. It means both open lanes are used to move cars forward until the last moment when they cannot. "Move over early" means less throughput in the system, no matter "how open" one lane is at some point.

By blocking merges, you causes braking, which is what causes traffic. You framing people driving efficiently to prevent traffic as "people trying to force their way in last minute" means its you creating traffic, not them.

You're arguing from a sense of moral suppority, I.e "I got in line early, you should have to," not from a sense of efficently moving cars down a road.

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago

It's rare, but I think they're referring to when it's open enough and running at optimal speeds. It happened the other day on a side street during an off hour, the free lane couldn't cut to the front without going like 70mph in a 40mph zone.

Of course a muscle car did just that, but still.

[–] LurkingLuddite@piefed.social -2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

No.

Throughput is determined by number of through-lanes and the speed at which traffic is moving. Period. Completely.

Filling the merge lane when traffic is already slow does nothing but drive density up, which slows traffic further.

Sure, YOU might save some time by passing a bunch of cars, but it DOES NOT IMPROVE THROUGHPUT.

Zipper merging is about NOT having an area of abrupt speed change. It is not about using up a lane that is going away. Period. Ever.

It's the same as an on-ramp: If you're speeding up just to slam on your brakes to merge, that's not zipper merging!

[–] TwoTiredMice@feddit.dk 7 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Someone made a simulator for these scenarios where you can adjust on driver behaviour and see metrics in what is most efficient.

https://www.traffic-simulation.de/

[–] LurkingLuddite@piefed.social 0 points 18 hours ago

And it shows exactly what I'm talking about. When people are more interested in filling lanes than merging efficiently when one is disappearing, they reduce the throughput of traffic over all.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

I'll merge early but also try to go a bit slower than the person in front of me to open a gap which allows me to absorb some of the traffic wave (where flow alternatively speeds up and slows down from people trying to get up to speed only to have to slam on the brakes because some car ahead wasn't going fast enough to maintain that), as well as leave space for others to merge at speed.

Though I sometimes close the gap if I notice people pulling into the right lane to try to skip the line.

[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

If it's that sparse then the situation in the meme is a non-issue

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

…until people make it an issue by speeding up and cutting people off, causing it to bottleneck

[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 1 points 15 minutes ago
[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 22 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I would agree with this if literally anyone else knew how to zipper merge

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 22 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

The solution is educating people about zipper merging, not getting angry at those who actually do it.

[–] los0220@lemmy.world 14 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Here in Poland it works quite well, at least when the merge is expected.

But we have signs reminding people of that and they also display this kind of driving tips on info boards on motorways when there is nothing more important.

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 5 points 20 hours ago

We only started seeing signs in my city telling people to zipper merge, but I was never taught it in driver's ed, and we really should be.

I wish we had better signage here like you have in Poland.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Zooming to the front to try to merge at the last minute and creating a choke point that stops traffic for half a mile is NOT the correct way to do a zipper merge...

[–] DScratch@sh.itjust.works 6 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

You shouldn’t be able to, because both lanes are full and moving at half speed.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 3 points 12 hours ago

But they're not. Zipper merges might be the efficient thing to do, but here everyone is taught to merge early so the guy doing 70 km/h in the empty lane when the speed limit is 50 and then demanding to merge is generally seen as an asshole by everyone else, especially because those people usually don't wait for you to make room either, they often just start merging into other cars knowing someone will hit the brakes.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 12 hours ago

Except people do it anyway, I'm surprised so many people are trying to pretend they've never seen this.

Traffic isn't some collective consciousness thing that moves like a well-oiled machine. People are selfish and do what they think is to their best advantage, even if it causes the overall traffic conditions to be worse.

[–] Philote@lemmy.ml 18 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

At a respectable speed though, merge lane is not a passing lane. My rule is whatever speed can be maintained stay with the car speed in the lane to be merged into, jamming the front punishes everyone cueing properly.

[–] ragepaw@lemmy.ca 19 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

The the merging lane is empty for a half km, then it's proper to drive to the front and merge. If you just drive slow, then you're a problem for the sake of being a problem.

Drive to the front, match speed, zipper merge. It isn't hard.

[–] LurkingLuddite@piefed.social 5 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Depends on what you mean by "the front". Too many people do not know how to look thousands of feet down the road. Probably why so many merge too early.

The assholes that also do not know how to look thousands of feet down the road fly to the end and cram in, which does nothing but further reduce throughput because it slows the lane people need to merge into.

[–] ragepaw@lemmy.ca 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

That is literally what a zipper merge is, and what you are supposed to do. Go to the end and merge. If they are "cramming" in, then the people in the lane are not doing their part either, because you are supposed to let people merge.

When people properly zipper merge, traffic will keep flowing. Your complaint about reducing throughput is a "well of fucking course it will" because you're putting more cars through the same space regardless of where they merge. People who slow down with hundreds of meters of space, then stop and wait for someone to let them in makes the problem worse, not better.

[–] LurkingLuddite@piefed.social 0 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

Literally, no it is not. Nowhere does it say you have to get to the end before merging. THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT is to MATCH TRAFFIC SPEEDS AND MAKE ROOM to reduce interruptions. NOT to fill up all available space where ever you find it.

If you fly to the front past a bunch of stopped cars, you ARE NOT MATCHING SPEEDS. Those assholes are not zipper merging. Period.

The people who merge early are not utilizing all space, but THROUGHPUT IS ABOUT LANES AND SPEED. When one lane is disappearing, you CANNOT MAGICALLY ADD THROUGHPUT by cramming in before the bottleneck. Period. Ever.

[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 5 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

If you fly to the front past a bunch of stopped cars, you ARE NOT MATCHING SPEEDS. Those assholes are not zipper merging. Period.

You realize if they were to match speed that would mean they must stop in an open lane, and that would just make everything much much worse, yeah? Thats also pretty much illegal everywhere lol.

[–] ragepaw@lemmy.ca 4 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Pretty confidently incorrect there with your capitals and italics.

https://youtu.be/mmSTSj_OMpA

https://youtu.be/cX0I8OdK7Tk

[–] Philote@lemmy.ml 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

That was the respectable speed part. I agree too slow is also an issue.

[–] ragepaw@lemmy.ca 1 points 20 hours ago
[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 14 points 22 hours ago

Gave a ride to someone who for one hour kept bitching about drivers who use zipper merge properly. didn't want to tell him he was wrong.

he was so convinced and fuel by hatred of better drivers.

[–] Visstix@lemmy.world -3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Yes before the lane is closed. They are not doing that.

[–] MSBBritain@lemmy.world 20 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

No. You are explicitly supposed to go to the very end of the closing lane, and then merge, not before it closes.

[–] Visstix@lemmy.world 0 points 20 hours ago

Well a closing lane would be marked with an arrow pointing to the lane next to it, and if it's closed it's a red X. You merge before the red X. I don't see a closing lane the same as a closed lane. Maybe it's a translation thing. And every country is different.