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It isn't all Israelis. There are plenty who spend every day protesting what is going on and trying to end it.
Didn't they recently get angry because benjamin wasnt killing enough muslims?
Pretty sure it is most of them. They even freed people for rape.
A very small small minorities. The majority keep voting for genocidal prime ministers
Answering a genocide with a genocide is really not it though.
We can dismantle their Israeli state simply by completely blockading the country, forbidding travel of its citizens, and freezing their assets globally. The region cant sustain itself without imports. Israel could be completely dismantled if the global elite wanted it to be, without a single shot fired by us. We know what to do, we just have leaders too compromised and corrupt to do it. After they capitulate they can be subjected to a justice process which focusses on restoring the Palestinians what has been taken from them by political zionism, insomuch as thats possible. The Israelis have little to no standing in that process beyond basic human rights. Thieves and murderers dont get to keep whats been taken, and removing ethnic cleansers from the lands they stole is not in itself ethnic cleansing. Its restorative justice. Theres a reason that ethnic cleansing was made a war crime by the UN.
I did not talk about genociding Israelis though. I expressed the idea that a big number of israelis oppose genocide and colonialism .
You qualified and minimized the statement of the person you were responding to, and they were responding to someone espousing genocide.
The person you were responding to expressed the idea that a big number of Israelis oppose genocide and colonialism - in response to the suggestion of genocide.
You seem to have assigned yourself the role of making sure to clarify that it’s actually a very small number of people who maybe should not be genocided, so it walks and talks like a duck at this point my friend.
I did not minimize anything while you guys are simply distorting reality. Only a minority oppose genocide and colonialism in Israel. I do not support genociding Israelis. I firmly believe with deradicalization israelis can live peacefully with Palestinians . The israeli who is likely to win against Netanyahu is another Netanyahu like grnocider.
Why should Israelis be entitled to live there at all when justice can be restored by giving Palestinian families their lands back and compensating them for 80 years of murder and theft. Every minute we delay makes that more impossible.
How are you going to send back millions of Israelis to Europe back? What about the jews and their direct ancestors living in Palestine before the Zionist movement? Are you going to make a DNA test for every Israeli to confirm that? Palestinians Families who was expulsed during the nekba ethenic cleansing should definitely going back to their land and compensation should aslo be given to them. It do not require mass displacing Israelis to Europe
Israelis owe a massive blood, land, and possessions debt to Palestinians they have dispossed. Israelis can add their name to the list of victims and state their case for an equitable share of the damages, just like everyone else. This is not an uncommon situation when multiple groups of people are being made whole after a crime is committed. The criminals give up recompense, the list of victims and their interests are collected, and the loot is spread out in a way that makes sense. The choice of doing nothing is not Just or reasonable. It'll be hard but it must be done.
Everyone will lose in this, but the people most harmed will get restored to some percentage, and the Israelis who had a legitimate interest in being there without being part of the problem will get something too. People who profitted, or agreed with the crimes will lose their mondye, land, and posessions and will either leave or not, but they will not rule. Perhaps they can live in the Negev Desert, where everyone is always saying the Palestinians will need to move to.
If the leave they will be welcomed in the Jewish Autonomous Oblast in Russia of course, they always have been. And if we are being frank, they obviously will be welcome in the US and much of Western Europe. They were never a people without a home and they did not need to colonize Palestine. They did it because they wanted it, not needed it. Ben gurion flatly admitted as much.
I’m truly not disputing your point, and I don’t assume that you support genocide as a matter of belief.
But the top level comment started with the assertion that we ‘need to erase israhell off the planet’ which is a genocide. Your point was deployed in response to someone saying, in so many words, ‘maybe we shouldn’t do a genocide because not all people of a nationality believe the same thing’.
Then you come in with, in so many words, ‘yeah, but most of them do’ - as a further reason to…not do a genocide?
What point is your comment serving other than to soften the reason not to do a genocide?
My point was concentrated on a specific part of your comment related to the number of Israelis who oppose genocide and colonialism. Distorting reality by claiming a big number of Israelis oppose it is dangerous and help Israel continuing the extermination of Palestinians . Jerusalem Day Flag March where Israelis chant death to Arab and burn Arab villages has ten thousands of people in them while counter protests have few hundreds.
I've had a similar comment chain to this, it seems Israeli defenders have the same argument strategy, where they try to put words in your mouth. Kind of embarrassing for them.
Israel is a state. Wiping it off the map does not assume genocide. Your pushing that narrative is a zionist talking point. Israel CAN be wiped off the map without murder. Will you admit to that?
Will I admit to that? What kind of question is that? Of course I will ‘admit to that’, since you’ve backed me into a rhetorical corner.
Now, since we’re admitting things. How often do you think the historical use of the term is describing a non-violent process?
Fuck Zionism, and Free Palestine but the language of erasure is just too close to genocide for my comfort, as cathartic as the thought may be in the moment, and I’m hesitant to normalize it.
Other people don’t have that sensitivity and that’s fine. You do you.
Hasbara propoganda constantly states that giving any justice at all to Palestinians for the very real and very concrete harm they have endured risks inflicting harm against Israelis born to the area. It attempts to weigh an non life threatening existential harm to a small number of Isarelis against a very severe and concrete life threatening already in flight genocide of a massive number of innocents. You just parroted that so maybe ask yourself whether you are commenting for justice or not.
Remediating a genocide only comes up so often but South Africa did it pretty well and thats the most modern addressing of a similar issue that I'm aware of. So no, I dont buy your suggestion that its a common understanding-- and even if it were (its not), its a harmful framing in this case that you shouldnt be trying to normalize to win lemmy points.
I’d love to know what you think Lemmy points are. I take the signals that are given, and so we’re done. Peace to you.
When its 82% who flatly admit it openly, then I'm not going to get twisted into a pretzel on the tiny percentage of people who didnt answer in the vehement affirmative from their perch on a pile of bones. I wish those less than 18% of people the best and demand that they leave that territory for their own safety and security. And in their answers to that demand you will see the measure of their complicity. Most of that less than 18% want this outcome, they just dont want to be accused of making it happen.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hLQbPCvV8W8&pp=ugUHEgVlbi1HQg%3D%3D
The youtube link is Abby Martins video talking about the murderous feedback she got when she visited Israel and asked locals what they thought.