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For the vast majority of people a car is just transportation. You go from A to B. Some might couple that with making it a bourgeoise status symbol, the expensive truck mallcruiser or BMW.
But there are still quite a few who appreciate the actual drive.
And you’re right. So many cars now completely insulate the driver from the road and the operation of the vehicle, like driving a couch with the TV remote.
And it totally sucks for those of us that do really love the experience of driving. O8 was the last year Subaru used a mechanically linked clutch with real force, after it became a soft little lever you moved an inch to get neutral. Then they got rid of it all together. If a manufacturer produced a $20k sub 3000lbs 4 cyl that's fun to drive with a true mechanical clutch and as few computers as possible, I would get a loan for one. Used options are getting limited and in worse and worse condition.
Absolutely. A manual, simple 4 cylinder would be great.
But that doesn’t have telemetry they can sell, features you have to subscribe to, and branded trim levels you have to pay extra to get.
Yeah!
looks at the Civic Si
"Have you seen such a vehicle anywhere around here, little Civic?"
I DON'T WANT ANY OF THAT AND WILL NEVER DRIVE A VEHICLE THAT INCLUDES THEM!!!!
shit, sorry for yelling.
You will have few to no choices then. Telemetry or “black box” is in pretty much every single modern vehicle. Subscriptions to Sirius, Spotify, or your heated seat (fuck you BMW) are the norm or trying to be so. A la carte options died decades ago, and then they killed the manual transmission even in halo cars.
I feel ya, man. This is some bullshit. The only choice is to build your own car or try to keep an old one alive.
Cries in ej205
Stock up on headgaskets.
For me it was actually going from an NA Subaru to a Chevy bolt with premier trim.
Never had such a high level trim in any car and the quick acceleration of the ev makes it super fun to drive at least on the highway, its pretty horrible on turns and I probably won't ever track it like I did the Subaru. But I started to get into auto detailing when I got it and its such a good time to unwind outside in the evening with a beer and pressure washer. Then getting in to a clean car is very nice.
The bolt is such a goofy car to me, like I feel all cool and speedy driving it, then get out and look at it like damn I was driving this funny thing
That's how I feel about my leaf. I had a 4th gen Honda Civic for years that was just fun to drive in any road with some movement.
Now I've got the leaf and it's like, I'll never understand the critique of EVs not being "masculine" enough or whatever. This thing flies when I want to send it. And yeah the beefier ev suspension makes it a little lame in the corners, but it's still a way more fun to drive care than any ice equivalent.
And yeah, from the outside it's a total granny car. But at least it's got a hatchback