this post was submitted on 10 Jun 2026
22 points (95.8% liked)

Ask Lemmygrad

1350 readers
80 users here now

A place to ask questions of Lemmygrad's best and brightest

founded 3 years ago
MODERATORS
 

I've been struggling for a while to reconcile my faith (Islam) with communism. I've run into a lot of leftists who tell me flat out that you can't be religious and a Marxist. They quote Lenin, Bukharin, and the ABC of Communism to argue that religion is 'idealist' and that any believing communist is a 'revisionist.'

But recently, someone on this platform responded to one of my posts with something that really stuck with me. They suggested that the leftists I've been arguing with might be confusing mechanical materialism with dialectical materialism. They put it this way:

'A dialectical materialist view would say that somebody receiving a message from a god is part of their material conditions... either way, it's still a real thing impacting them.'

They argued that a mechanical materialist treats humans like passive objects, reduces consciousness to brain chemistry, and sees religion as just 'false consciousness' to be eliminated. A dialectical materialist, by contrast, understands that consciousness is real, that ideas emerge from material conditions and then react back on them, and that religion is a complex phenomenon that can be a force for resistance or oppression depending on the context.

This really resonated with me, but I want to understand it more deeply.

So I want to ask you all:

  1. In your own words, what is the difference between mechanical and dialectical materialism?

  2. How does dialectical materialism approach the question of religion, compared to mechanical materialism?

  3. Does dialectical materialism require atheism as a philosophical commitment, or is it compatible with someone who holds religious faith as a personal and communal practice so as long as they don't use their faith as their analytical tool or basis for an argument?

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Idk what mechanical materialism is exactly but I'd like to give my thoughts on how religion interacts with marxism.

From a non-theoretical, completely practical stand point, not accepting religious people is short sighted. There are a fuck ton of religious people and it is stupid to alienate them from our movement. They aren't going to stop being religous because we tell them it's idealist, it will just push them away from our worker's movement. Excluding religious people, banning religion, or criticizing religious people for their spiritual beliefs is a great way to lose the support of a large chunk of the working class.

From another perspective though, I think it is silly to dogmatically apply dialectical materialism to everything. Truth is, we can't answer a lot of serious questions that people have about death and the afterlife through scientific means. People are going to have those questions, and they are going to find and believe unfalsifiable answers to them whether we like it or not. You can follow a marxist path in your life while maintaining your spiritual beliefs. I do not see this as a contradiction.