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So sick of hearing about Graham Platners dumb goofy ass (hexbear.net)

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I’m curious what the general consensus is here cause I am so so fucking tired of listening to people talk about Graham Platner.

I’m amenable to the possibility of him being decent but I am not holding my breath over it.

it’s just another perfect example of the inherent flaws in “the left” ever hitching its wagon to the fucking Democratic Party.

That phrase “the left” makes my skin crawl in general. I am so tired of having to constantly wrest the identity of a historic movement away from this or that charlatan, it is humiliating to me and my peers to invest faith and trust in these people.

But without a party, who can we say represents “the left”? With the crimes of chattel slavery and now Palestinian genocide, is this party really the vehicle?

As far as I’m concerned any Democratic politician has a massive bar to clear for any support from me. More importantly I think we can point to some disturbingly clear examples that the institutional forces of Democratic Party politics easily overawing any individual representative of “the left”

I don’t like to disparage people choosing optimism in general. It just seems so glaringly obvious that without an enforcement mechanism outside of the Democratic Party there is very little to create any kind of actual accountability and there is nothing but unlimited reward for participation and substance-less posturing.

Wonder what the PSL is up to! Wish them nothing but good things.

Curious where everyone is besides sick of this. WHO gives a fuck! It’s Maine! Hardly anyone lives there! Have you ever seen a black fly? Too scary in general this is just par for the course

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[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago

Had Sanders captured that energy, by announcing a grassroots working class party, god only knows how history would have gone.

My idea is that:

ML parties like PSL will have less members since many people would've joined Sander's party instead.
The DSA would probably be a defunct org since given the choices between Sander's party and more radical parties like the PSL, why would anyone hitch their wagon with the DSA? In many ways, the DSA is (poorly) filling the void that should've been filled by Sander's party.
I think a lot of the current crop of so-called progressives like AOC would either not have political careers or simply run as generic Democrats without any hint of progressivism. What would AOC's political career even look like? Would she join Sander's party or would she just be some generic Democrat? Much of the online arguments and struggle sessions over whether so and so is legit or controlled opposition would not exist or look very different. Perhaps people will accuse alt-history AOCIA or alt-history Mamdani of joining Sander's party to undermine it from within.
Most of the leftist influencer space would have less obnoxious politics since instead of glazing the Democrats and coming up with excuses for their failures, they would be glazing Sander's party (and coming up with excuses for their failures) instead.
Sander's party would be at the crossroads after al-Aqsa Flood when Sander goes completely mask off as an unrepentant Zionist. I do not think Sanders can control the anti-Zionism that almost everyone within the party would believe in, but what happens to the party is anybody's guess. Maybe there would be a mass exodus of members which causes the party to collapse. Maybe Sanders would be expelled from the party for being a Zionist piece of shit. Hell, maybe the bourgeoisie moves to crush the party through the security apparatus.

There's a timeline where Sander's party develops their politics well beyond Sanders to the point of expelling him for being a reactionary and eventually merging with PSL.