Ukraine

@Lost_My_Mind You are welcome to your opinion but given that it contains no statement it is factually absent. Why not engage in the discourse and make an objective statement?

@Lost_My_Mind OK, I accept that yours was simply another poor attempt at abuse but lets try debate. Forget that I want peace and imagine that I accept that war is the only way. If we do have an all out war with Russia that involves Ukraine as the main battlefield, how would that help Ukraine? China, Iran etc. would take Russia's side which would mean arms exchanges in either direction. How do you believe we would survive? Even if you manage to murder enough people to claim a victory what state would Europe be left in? Do you honestly see it as worth the mass murder and destruction on both economic and infrastructure? Why is peace such a bad option? Remember, Russia only wanted a referendum. Russia wanted democracy yet Boris Johnson wanted war. The people of Ukraine voted for Zelenskyy because he stood on a platform of avoiding the war that everyone could see coming. It was not Russia or Ukraine that wanted this war. What do we gain? I walked through the streets of east London 15 years after WWII and the rubble had been cleared and there was just miles of roads with no buildings. Winning is not as great as it sounds. It took decades to rebuild Europe. To make me see differently you need to convince me that war is worth it. You need to tell me how war is better than democracy. We had the debate over Northern Ireland where there were two entrenched sides at war and it was US President Clinton that said that the UK should allow the IRA to run in the election. The UK said that they would never surrender to terrorists etc. (after having handed part of Palestine to Irgun) but eventually the IRA formed Sein Fein and were allowed to take part in the elections. They got 2% of the vote and the IRA crept away into the shadows. Peace works. The Ukrainian people want it.