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I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see how 'Murica could be ready for a young, progressive, intelligent woman to lead
She is a true powerhouse, but' Murica is a broken, ignorant and hateful place
America rejected Hillary and Kamala because they were empty-suit neolibs who campaigned on ignoring the working class' problems, not because they were women.
I hope you are right
Also, because the voting public is dumb AF. Not actually voting on principle, ideology, or policy. Simply voting against whoever is perceived as in power. If they feel the government isn't helping them. Even if it means voting for someone who will be objectively worse for them.
And elected Trump twice because he obviously was full-suit man of the people with so many swell ideas about working class.
Americans, you see, are voting based on economical policies rooted in reality.
He was the only candidate in the general 2016 talking about jobs. His opposition's slogan was "America is Already Great". In 2024, his opposition was arguing she would better implement his signature policies of ~~imperialism~~the most lethal military and ~~cruelty towards brown people~~securing the border.
Honestly, yes.
Everyone I know would vote for her.
Same but I live in a bubble
… do you have enough air?
It’s a big bubble
Some say it’s the biggest bubble. That there’s never been a greater bubble. They’ve been trying to make this bubble for almost 150 years and I’m the one finally making it happen
But the question was, “how are you holding up?”
Oh, I get it
I only associate with other people with politics like my own (because conservatives are shitty people who I refuse to have anything to do with)
But I know that outside my bubble, there's a world of selfish, hateful, ignorant cunts
You must live in a dark blue state.
I do yes. It’s pretty much navy blue. Haha. And I recognize that is the reason!
Not exactly. DNC had to do a LOT of fucking around to keep Bernie from the presidentcy. And he would have crushed Trump so badly cheating wouldn't have worked. I had hoped they would run AOC instead of Kamala once it was clear Biden was unfit. She would have been just old enough
It would've been quite the sight
I take it from the sudden massive influx of "AOC BETRAYED US ON ISRAEL NOBODY VOTE FOR HER" narrative, that somebody somewhere thinks she's a candidate who would cause problems if she did run
She did, and if she were running, she could fix people calling her a zionist by changing her stance on Israel.
So this entire narrative that AOC is pro-Israel now, is spun up from a single vote she made on an amendment MTG made that would have removed a small amount of funding for Israel including a grant which is used among other things for some of their “defensive” weapons for civilian areas, while leaving intact the waterfall of money for their offensive weaponry. AOC along with almost everyone else voted no on that amendment, and then said some dumb shit about why she did. The amendment was never going to pass. The impact on Israel or anyone else was pretty minimal. It did nothing for offensive weapons, it was just a stupid amendment during a busy day of actual work, so AOC voted against it.
Of course, later on, she voted “no” for the massive funding bill which spent $830 billion on various types of killing, including $6 billion for Israel for offensive weapons, which has been pretty consistently her stance on Israel throughout including vocal oppsition both verbal and material. At one point she was doing enough that Biden got mad at her personally and they had a meeting about it or something, because she was materially gumming up the works. Her support for Palestine is super rare in the US congress. Nonetheless these guys are still talking about how bad she betrayed Palestine. It becomes a whole narrative, where she’s now pro-genocide irrevocably forever, and if you challenge them on it, they can run and hide behind the fact that she did, in fact, vote against that amendment, and so it’s proved now. She’s bad. Don’t vote for her.
For some reason, this only happens to the left-est of left politicians. You will never heard someone randomly start cursing about how big an asshole Joe Manchin was when he did absolutely incalculable damage to the planet by blocking the first iteration of the IRA. No, you will only hear these kind of neatly-packaged reasons not to support a left politician deployed and repeated (there are only like 10-20 of them, you start to see them repeat after a while if you pay attention) against the leftest of the bunch.
Wonder why.
Espionage
That’s my answer for $100.
I struggle to see it too, but I think I'd rather her lose than newsom win. I've always been a "harm reduction" sort, but I see NO way out through the dem establishment: a third senile trump term would probably be better in the long run than watching the ratchet click yet again. America needs change and leadership that actually believes in something positive enough to fight for it.
What about Walz? He's decently progressive (for America).
America is pretty progressive, it’s the corporate media and PAC donor money to every corrupt politician in the country (90% of both Dems and Repubs) that are not progressive.
Give them enough time and you’ll hear how he’s bad for us all.
It doesn’t matter which candidate is in the front, the propaganda and hate machine will shift focus and they’ll lose.
Now that's some bullshit.
Simply don't support bad policies that hurt your constituents and benefits the donors class.
Ok. So, Waltz. When do “we” get marching orders to hate him?
If people are telling a politician a thing they are doing is bad, maybe consider they have a point and the politician should stop instead of demanding fealty. Confusing whether we are supposed to represent out politicians or our politicians are supposed to represent us is how dems justify doing the shit that tanks their popularity.
Ok.
Same thing a lot of people said about a black guy with a Muslim name, while still deep in the "War in Terror" fog. I was among them, and very wrong.
Amongst them, get it right whilst you talk the politics.
Everyone who would object to one of these would object to all of them, so really there's not much difference between an old white male progressive and a young brown female progressive in terms of electability, and as we know from Bernie those are plenty electable. I mean hell, Obama was black.
I’m American and I’d vote for her! But I’m on Lemmy/PieFed so I’m not your average American lol
Sometimes the best candidate is a woman. That just how life be.
I agree
Too many people in the US still think that blokes should be in charge, no matter what
It's a very weird place
I hope she runs for the Senate. That would be the best move forward for her at this time.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/17/trump-aoc-voters
AOCIA will not bring the change either but carrot go brrr.