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[–] WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today -5 points 13 hours ago (7 children)

I don't like these types any more than most sane people do, but I'm not really a fan of stooping to their level, either.

[–] svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 36 minutes ago

Anyone who is advocating for "remigration" is advocating for the use of violence to remove racial minorities.

If you are a pacifist and you don't believe in violence in any circumstance, then fine. But if ever there is a time to use violence in defence of ourselves and the vulnerable in our society, I believe it's now, before the state is captured by fascists. I think that if we had another Battle of Cable Street instead of a counter-protest at the next few "Unite the Kingdom" rallies (or whatever they call them these days) then we'd sort this shit out real fast.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 10 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

But it's back to the arguement about the paradox of tolerance. If you don't beat these people they'll keep doing it. Given that they're calling for the lives of others to be destroyed inaction is not really an option.

Someone's going to suffer either way, might as well be the little skid mark that's causing the problem to begin with.

So I would love to know what your proposed solution is.

[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Yeah waiting it out and seeing them realize the error of their ways through slow social isolation has definitely happened and there definitely aren't any ramifications to letting themselves simply spew their hate speech out into the world.

Nothing bad ever happened to us when we stayed out of the mud, except for, you know, fucking everything, you asshat.

The next time someone you love is murdered and/or harassed because the murderer/harasser was inspired by a Charlie Kirk wannabe, remember to be the "bigger person" and don't stoop to their level. 🖕🏽

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

Considering he wants people's lives destroyed, I'd say beating his ass was a kindness. It's the closest thing to effective communication you can get with a Nazi without doing even worse to them.

[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 10 points 11 hours ago

The ~~anti‐Semite~~ fascist has chosen hate because hate is a faith; at the outset he has chosen to devaluate words and reasons. How entirely at ease he feels as a result. How futile and frivolous discussions about the rights of ~~the Jew~~ others appear to him. He has placed himself on other ground from the beginning. If out of courtesy he consents for a moment to defend his point of view, he lends himself but does not give himself. He tries simply to project his intuitive certainty onto the plane of discourse...

...Never believe that ~~anti‐ Semites~~ fascists are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The ~~anti‐Semites~~ fascists have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. It is not that they are afraid of being convinced. They fear only to appear ridiculous or to prejudice by their embarrassment their hope of winning over some third person to their side.

  • Jean-Paul Sartre

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jean-Paul_Sartre

Fascists don't care about words or reasoning. They spread hate, discrimination, and lies and when challenged spout more lies to justify it. Even if presented with cold hard, unrefutable, facts.

When words, debate, and diplomacy can no longer prevent the calls to violence, the bigotry, the intolerance, then there is but one option; to speak the language they do understand.

The paradox of tolerance is a philosophical concept suggesting that if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance, thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago

They didn't stoop to his level, he's a racist, fascist piece of shit. I'd say they were patient and kind, all things considered.

[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 12 hours ago

Then you're a part of the problem, namby-pamby fence sitters