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Thanks that makes sense, I thought the liberal meant to include the set of everything not just "humanity" when they said "the world", would have been more gnostic than christian.
I think if I knew a bit more about Gnosticism there would be a funny comparison between postmodern radliberalism and Gnosticism. Denying the existence of the real world, esotericism, etc. Maybe it does gnosticism a disservice.
Afaik the gnostics acknowledge that the material world exists they just think it's evil. Gnosticism although in itself a religion, is a subversive response to Abrahamic religions.
I'd argue the main subversive element in Gnosticism is that the world was created by an evil being for evil purpose and seeks to impede salvation, whereas in Christianity God did create a world that for some reason is also evil, but He nonetheless acts through it and made parts of it for the sake of trying to get us to repent and accept God via Christ, showing us mercy when our sins would see us otherwise condemned.
A good example -- if I may use a source decidedly downstream of the Bible itself -- is "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God," where the fundamental point of it, the central image, is that God is keeping us from Hell. We would fall of our own weight, our own sin, except that God has for the moment kept us aloft in His hands and given us this chance to escape damnation, but may at any point withdraw His hands and allow our sins to drag us to Hell.
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As an aside, I really enjoy the writing style of this text and I strongly think that the whole thing is worth reading. Even in this text though, I would say it is somewhat at odds with the New Testament in that it much more strongly affirms the goodness of the world in a more Old Testament style, even if it's obviously extremely New Testament in saying that the only means of salvation is with the Mediator of the Covenant, Jesus Christ. It singles out man specifically as evil and characterizes the rest of creation other than Hell, the Devil, etc. as being good and preferring to serve piety.
Yea, but they think that the world is essentially a mistake and a less perfect version of what the real God is capable of. So they generally reject the world in favor of that.