MLs are not passive wishcasters for revolution and liberals don't fight for "actual progress", they just vote for what is on offer and barely even complain when the "actual progress" doesn't happen, if it's even promised in the first place. In fact, they attack those who are critical of this failure to improve conditions. Communists are constantly doing work that is not revolution an helps others / resists oppression, but they also understand that the necessary changes will never be permitted short of revolution - which is why liberals consistently fail and backslide on promised reforms when they aren't just overtly oppressing the global south.

MLs are usually the least naggy when it comes to personal consumption choices, that's more of a faux lefty liberal thing. But we will make fun of your Tesla and other things that make you ridiculous. Also none of this has anything to do with praxis. Liberals treat words like kids treat toys they find on the ground.

But they got one thing right: MLs correctly identify capitalism as the current overarching force for oppression. I don't think they really thought that one through, though, because I guarantee none of them can defend capitalism. Most probably can't even define it.

[–] WildWeezing420@hexbear.net 29 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Also what is more cult-like?

Identifying a problem with the world and working to try and fix it in a material way? Or ignoring all of reality of worsening conditions and staying in denial, believing that history has ended and heaven has been achieved and everything will be fine if we do nothing?

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I can't speak for everyone of course but for me at least a big part of why I was attracted to socialism/communism in the first place was the fact that commies really do have the most thorough explanations for everything. Libs can sometimes get close but every problem and solution that they identify falls apart at the some point in a way that marxist ones don't

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago

100-com all the existing tools I had before reading Lenin boiled down to trying to pray away colonialism and incredible wealth disparity under capitalism.

[–] Edamamebean@hexbear.net 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

I think this "heaven has been achieved" mindset is missing what's really going. The predominant manifestation of modern day liberalism is a form of nihilism. Sure the world sucks, but under liberal capitalism it sucks less than it otherwise could. The world can't get better because human nature is evil and selfish and any attempts to create a different system will be corrupted. There are scarcely any liberals who will outright say that the current paradigm is good, much less heaven on earth. What they will say is that anything better isn't possible.

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

yeah, it's that "Democracy Is the Worst Form of Government Except For All Others Which Have Been Tried"

Nihilistic Violent Extremist's, one could say (if one was the Trump admin).

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago

Yeah, Liberalism isn't perfect, it's the "best of all possible worlds." which means we shouldn't challenge it because it will only make things worse. They usually love to quote Churchill on this, because liberals love their great man theory and think that influential people were just all soundbite generators.

[–] WildWeezing420@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

that's what I mean by heaven, I just mean the afterlife that they desire. I don't mean a literal perfect world, but a liberal 'least bad' world. you're right that they're nihilistic, and when pressed hard enough will abandon liberal niceties before they abandon property or position. Still, they think that they are at the end of history. That the apocalypse already came and went, and they were the god chosen victors of it (colonialism and the ongoing horrors of industrialization).