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These are the fascists who were screeching at you to just suck up a bit of genocide and vote blue no matter who. The ratchet effect is so real.
I'm still gonna scream blue no matter who, but I'd really prefer it's not these guys.
And it's going to continue not working
"Blue no matter who" is a peace deal, which these guys are breaking.
It matters who, but better blue than red.
So what's the solution in your opinion?
Revolution. Start organizing your community so that real people have political power, not the rich ghouls.
Disrupt their operations by ensuring that they lose elections, even if it's at the cost of handing the seat to a republican. If they are willing to cede a seat to a republican to stop a leftist, leftist must be willing to cede an election to republican in order to stop disrupt anti-socialism.
Obviously, replacing the anti-socialist with a socialist would be the best outcome.
Ok, we've further ceded all elections to Republicans and now they're throwing all leftists and dissenters in prison/camps and have ruined the economy, the education system, started a bunch of wars we can't fund nor win, ruined the environment and privatized every public good. Now what?
Do you think the Democrats would not do the same if a revolutionary movement was built up? They don't even like this wave of social democrats taking office and are working to disrupt that. The tasks remain the same: educate, agitate, organize. Study theory, spread it and create a correct political line, and create a comprehensive political party that is dominated by the working classes.
No, I do not think Democrats would do all of the things I outlined above that I think would happen if Christofascist conservatives got complete power for consecutive terms.
"No I don't think they'd do those things that they've done in the past"
If that's the case, then you need to dig back into how rooting out socialists and communists was and still is a bipartisan affair, how imperialism and genocide are bipartisan, and that nominally being more socially progressive does not mean the DNC pulls punches when demonizing labor organizing.
Given that all those things are already happening, with most Democrats refusing to put up any sort of effective resistance, you don't really have a point.
Are they, though? I get the feeling your definition of that is someone getting elected in the primary that you don't like.
They pushed the guy Mamdani primaries to run as an independent which, for them, only makes sense as an act of sabotage.
"They". Pretty sure that "they" was pretty specific in this case.
Yeah, I just don't remember their names. Notice how I referred to Mamdani's opponent as "the guy he was running against"?
If you continue to scream blue no matter who, you help ensure it'll always be these guys.
"Vote Blue, no matter who" is for General Elections, and it still holds true. These sorts of DINO MAGAs need to be dealt with in the Primaries.
Make THEM "Vote Blue, No Matter Who" in the General, for a change. Make THEM hold their noses and vote for a Socialist, the way we've had to vote for barely disguised centrist Republicans with Ds next to their name, for decades. It's THEIR turn now.
Just like NYC.
Ah, yes, the race where these guys were famously supportive of the blue candidate and didn't do everything in their power to make sure he would lose even if it meant giving the election to a Republican candidate. I certainly see the logic in your support for them.
Well, Mamdani was blue and he's turning out pretty well.
You seem to have a foundational misunderstanding of what people mean when they say things like 'vote blue no matter who'.
Doesn't mean you have to vote for the blue who wants to genocide people a little, you can and very much should please god vote for the other blue who wants to do their fucking job, but either way, both are better and the worse blue is easier to recover from than the red who's going to immediately gut everything he can and then blow up children just for fun.
Are you really going to ignore how the elected Dem officials who embody the "Blue no matter who" slogan did everything they could to undermine his chances, right up until they realized they couldn't cripple his bid for mayor? In comment on a post about 13 such people going full Scooby Doo and pulling off the masks to reveal they're just red guys in disguise who will gut everything and blow up children if it means stopping a candidate who could actually make good on being something other than a corporate bought stooge that's padding the ranks of the controlled opposition party?
If anyone doesn't understand what "Blue no matter who" means, I'd say it's yourself. It's a thought terminating cliché for liberals to make voting for the neoliberal ghouls running the party more palatable that, funnily enough, is completely forgotten by the aforementioned ghouls as soon as the wrong kind of blue appears as a candidate. It's a tool used solely to browbeat people into voting for the shittiest candidate the DNC thinks we'll stomach, yet is readily abandoned with a "No, not like that" when someone like Zohran rocks up and says "Hey, I'm blue, I'd like to represent my city." and voters respond enthusiastically to them. Until Democratic electeds stop pulling out their knives for candidates that can be described as at least progressive, if not socialists, I don't want to hear this blue maga bullshit again.
It's quite telling that they're quick trot out bullshit like Suozzi is championing in response to a popular leftist candidate, but when someone suggests primarying a Joe Manchin or a John Fetterman, suddenly the Democratic party is a big tent party, and we need to work together and maintain unity. Where is a censure for Suozzi and crew for violating the sacrosanct big party spirit that protects fascist collaborators like Fetterman? "Blue no matter who" is a lie, and has been since day one.
I stopped reading after this. You're not worth wasting breath to argue with, because immediately after I said don't vote for the dems who want to keep the status quo, vote for the ones who want to make things better like Mamdani is, you go off making things up.
If they're not worth arguing with then just downvote them and move on. Needing to get in the last word is pathetically immature.
Yeah, when you say stupid shit like this, you make it really obvious that you're just trolling. You're really going to say "vote blue no matter who" is a phrase that admits qualifications? You're still ignoring the hypocrisy of the same sort of centrists Democrats who used that slogan as a cudgel against people not falling over themselves to vote for other centrists candidates are now trying to make the phrase, "Vote blue no matter who, unless they happen to be socialists."
You're the one who decided to defend that stupid slogan to begin with.
"Vote Blue, No matter who," doesn't apply to Primaries, because EVERYONE is Blue. It's for the General Election, where a centrist Dem voter is faced with voting for a Blue Democratic Socialist, or a Red MAGA.
Now they'll finally understand how we Unaffiliated Independents feel for Every election.
I mean, I fucking wanted Mamdani.
Yeah, I wanted Mamdani, too. I'm just pointing out the fundamental contradiction in "Vote blue no matter who" when a significant portion of the blue are like these 13 assholes, and will leave no stone unturned to actively oppose people even having a chance to see Mamdani's name get past the primaries. The Democratic Party is absolutely rotten with such candidates, and following the blue no matter who mantra only ensures that you have people like them ready to pull out all the stops to go and kneecap a primary candidate who's to the left of Reagan so that you don't get a chance to vote for someone like Mamdani.
fwiw, I think naming and shaming these 13 is valuable.
I don't like "Democrats are bad" in general when the other side is fucking Nazis. And I think that's overdone a bit.
then don’t vote in bad democrats, and they won’t field bad democrats. and if both sides field a nazi and nazi light, vote third party.
Third party is little different from not voting at all.
The alternative is you abstain and the unequivocally worse group wins by default. Not really an improvement.