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A Boring Dystopia

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[–] LincolnsDogFido@lemmy.zip 24 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Part of the problem no one has mentioned yet is that "America 250" was a planned national slogan and organized effort to celebrate our independence. I don't know the specifics but dipshit bastardized it and spun off "Freedom 250" which is associated with just his administration and was used to line his pockets with money meant for the celebrations in D.C. Again, I don't know the specifics, but I'm pretty sure the gist of it is that its a shell company that he controls and put allies on the board for.

[–] Dzheyk@sh.itjust.works 7 points 17 hours ago

My wife was just telling me about this. So much blatant corruption and theft and I'm at the point where the seething is just turning to numbness.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Hasn't "freedom" been the US's schtick for a while? The US colonies existed before 1776 and gained independence in 1783

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

We declared independence 1776.07.04. It didn't mean shit to the world, but we declared it and consider it to be the founding of our nation, even though it would take until 1783.09.03 to win the revolutionary war. We also didn't ratify our first (and significantly worse) constitution until 1781.02.02 (effective 1781.03.01) or our famously beloved second constitution until 1787.06.21 (effective 1789.03.04).

Our founding was an awkward mess, but in our defense we really only had the Haudenosaunee and to a much lesser extent the British to look to for inspiration on how to do what we were going for.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

really only had the Haudenosaunee

What's wrong with that? Wouldn't the world be better if more had been copied?

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

Oh absolutely, but the problem is it led to a lot of the early American debates being of how to balance their influence vs the European influence. These were white people of recent European descent who (mostly, there were some) weren't interested in joining the Five Nations or any other Iriqouian confederation.

When you only have one good role model you find yourself winging a lot and taking more than you should have from the less good influences you've got. Hell, confederation was something that had worked for the Haudenosaunee, but very much collapsed immediately for the United States because we lacked a lot of their cultural technologies and we had a lot of our own cultural and political stuff that got in the way and made federalism work better for us at that time.