Just for clarity, do you mean there are no leftist soldiers and there are only leftist former soldiers (i.e. current veterans) if they disavow their past actions and oppose the military?

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 52 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Yes. Iffy wording on my part there.

This entire thing is a culture war that needs to happen. The worship of military and service has to be attacked. There is no case for defending it, the only reason people do defend it is because they've been brought up in environments where vocally not supporting the troops would result in their social lives being made uncomfortable.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 23 points 3 days ago

I absolutely agree, just making sure I understood what you meant.

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

post 2003 i think 100% of the excuse is gone. even with all the propaganda we're fed you should be able to look at that and understand what the US military is and does.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I think we have to keep in mind that the american "left" is a baby that has only existed since Bernie's 2020 campaign. Everything before that time has been filtered through the liberal worldview. Any americans that were old enough to be an adult and switched on to politics in 2003 probably supported it but felt there were "bad actors" among them but the troops are mostly good.

Additionally the only filter they got that information through was liberal media of 2003. It's long long before social media which is showing the criminality of war more than the liberal filter of television would do in the past. If Israel's actions today happened in 2003 almost nobody would know about the genocide and all the Israeli narratives would've succeeded. The media wouldn't have had to show anything bad at all, they would've hid it all.

So we're dealing with a left that is just 6 years old and only has experience with those 6 years. Everything else doesn't exist or has the distorted worldview. This will change, especially when the US has to put troops somewhere and the conduct of those troops shows they're indistinguishable to the IDF. They will not be able to stop it from hitting social media.