True enough but I think dropping Hasan is more urgent if only because of the size of his following and, frankly, the ridiculous levels of grace people are willing to give him despite the fact that his only real role for the past few years has been to promote democrats.

[–] 11092001@hexbear.net 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

He gave his audience a new left bashing insult when he gets any pushback on electrolism, ultra. But since it is already used in football, I'll just call myself ultra tankie.

[–] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 32 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The terms "ultra-left" and "left-communist" have been in use since the 1920s, and describe the tendencies put forward by Bordiga, Ruhlë, and Pannekoek. You can read Lenin's thoughts on these do-nothings in "Left-Wing" Communism: An Infantile Disorder.

The term's use in football didn't show up until the 1960s.

[–] Blakey@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago

Sounds like something from communist voltron

[–] ChestRockwell@hexbear.net 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't buy this at all. Not going to say he's a true ally, but his work for the NYC DSA slate and also AES and Cuba suggest he's more than just a grifter to me.

If his goal is to make Mamdani unremarkable, our goal should be to make Hasan unremarkable, but I don't think dumping him is actually the way to do so. Just my .02 but it feels like there's way more obvious targets out there (Grim after this platner shit, liberals and right wingers) than someone who is already far to the left of the Overton window in America and generally avoids the worst kinds of slopulism. The fact he's never backed down on trans rights, Palestine,etc. even though it would have been the easiest pivot suggests he's in good faith even if he's still an electoralist.

Just my .02 and obviously you're welcome to disagree but I think there's way more important targets than someone who pushes for the most left candidates our current system offers. Our job, in union organizing (what I do) and other forms of power is to produce the real material leverage that can change the system beyond electoralism.

Hasan is an electoralist at the end of the day though. For those of us who see it as one strategy (and I should say, my personal position is electoralism is a means to an end, it can open up space for organizing wins ( i.e. if right wing administrations produce organizing energy, left wing organizations make it slightly easier to do the actions to get real wins for my members. This isn't to say you can't strike under a right wing admin, but there's definitely more contingencies in that case. Just my .02)).

I'd rather have someone like DAC in office when my union strikes since they might actually show up at the picket like and push the administrative state to pressure my bosses. That's just my perspective though, and obviously I understand that anti electoralist comrades think that's not worth it in the grand scheme. Still, if Hasan got someone like that elected in my state/district, I think it would be worth it.

[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

imo it’s not a question of whether Platner is sincere, but why, even if he is sincere, he thinks he is the right leader in this place and moment.

For example: I sincerely believe in liberation for LGBTQIA+, black liberation, etc; but, seeing as I don’t fit those categories, I understand it would be inappropriate for me to take up the mantle of leadership for those causes. I’m relegated to a support role, and that’s ok.