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[–] usernameunnecessary@lemmy.zip 51 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Every single party involved in this headline is so utterly untrustworthy that I don't know what to do with it.

[–] I_am_10_squirrels@beehaw.org 9 points 2 days ago

I wouldn't be surprised if Israel is fabricating the intelligence to spur Trump towards annihilation

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (3 children)

There we go again with the bothsidism bullshit

[–] PhobosAnomaly@feddit.uk 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah there is an element of that, but I don't think it's entirely controversial to say that it all gets old very quickly.

Critical thinking takes work and research, which is fine for a specific topic or when you're reading something with existing context like something historic... but keeping on top of something where all the belligerents are pushing out narrative on a daily basis becomes fucking soul-destroying to fact-check and evaluate.

I don't think this is a "both sides" fallacy. It's just being super fed up of the constant shitslinging and media manipulation.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It is alwqys a bothside fallacy when you you equate the agressed and aggresor

[–] thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Remind me again which of Israel, Iran and the US are aggressor and agressed ?

Seems to me both terms apply to all 3, at which point OP seems to me to be utterly correct. All 3 are bad.

I would care less if they werent holding the world economy to ransom

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Israel and the usa stsrted the war they are the agressor, iran did not start the war they are the agressed. Your bullshit rhetoric is like talking sbout how france was bad in thr colonies thry colonized when talking anout nazi germany occupation of France

Holding the world economy hostage is the only way iran has for his civiliztion to not be destroyed and survival of the stste itself. I am not a selfish person who only thing about my self while my country support the war of gression

[–] usernameunnecessary@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I was merely talking about trustworthiness, not about anything else. But you are right, there is no comparison between the levels of untrustworthiness of the two aggressors in the sentence versus the defending country. Iran has their own share of issues but there's no doubt as to who the bullies are in this specific case.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

With the rhetoric of none are untrustworthy. It easy to blame both for the lack of solution which is a problem

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Okay but they're not doing that so why bring that up?

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I think his framing allow the idea that iran is also an obstacle to peace while it only want return of the stolen assets and sanction relief