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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/52369691

According to the complaint, Toyota and its hydrogen partner, FirstElement Fuel (True Zero), intentionally concealed evidence of:

  • hydrogen leaks near hot engine components, creating explosion risks

  • sudden power loss, acceleration, and braking failures leading to collisions and injuries

  • a collapsing hydrogen infrastructure, leaving drivers stranded for weeks without access to fuel

  • aggressive financial collection tactics by Toyota Motor Credit Corporation, targeting owners of inoperable vehicles.

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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

There's still room for hydrogen aviation,

Is there really? I read the tanks make it impractical and that synthetic hydrocarbon jet fuel would be the likely fossil fuel replacement.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

A number of major aerospace companies are working on the concept, so I wouldn't say it's not feasible. But the jury is very much still out.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I thinks it’s more that there is no acceptable solution for aviation yet, so yes there’s room

  • batteries will never have sufficient power density
  • plant based fuels are unlikely to scale
  • hydrogen has technical challenges
  • ammonia is dangerous

Every option has significant limitations but we need something to work

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 months ago

Solid state batteries may well be dense enough. Admittedly, that is something of a "two years away for the last ten years" problem.

It's also a safety issue. Now, the issues with safety in EVs is overblown, but commercial aviation has much tighter safety standards. Fortunately, solid state batteries fix that, too.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Airplane fuel is dangerous and full of lead. Every time people list disadvantages of alternative technologies, they pretend current fuels aren't a toxic dangerous mess.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Jet fuel doesn’t contain lead and never did.

AvGas does still have a lead problem and it was commonly used before the jet age, but is now relegated to small general aviation aircraft - a miniscule percentage. If you look at aviation as a whole, leaded gas usage is effectively zero.

Really the problem comes down to contamination at and near small historical airfields.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Don't forget the PFAS contamination from AFFF

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You can always find more toxic stuff to worry about but fire fighting foam is independent of fuel toxicity and the concern is not lead

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 months ago

The other side of this is if there's a solid state lithium battery breakthrough. That would have both the energy density and safety margins to be usable for even Pacific flights.