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this is what actual anarchy looks like
Everyday people coming to the aide of a fellow human who is fighting to stop herself being victimized is anarchy? Yeah, pretty much. Doesn't seem like a bad thing, though. If we all took that level of responsibility, you wouldn't need much of a governmental force.
I think everything you just said with many words, is what he said with few words. You're both in agreement.
Possibly.
not possibly, entirely
Good. I couldn't be sure. 'This is actual anarchy' is just as readable as 'this is the degeneracy of our modern culture' as it is as 'this is people acting responsibly without need of hierarchy.'
i suppose it’s an understandable knee jerk reaction to assume that.
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i wrote it because when i see riots there’s usually “it was anarchy on the streets!” somewhere….
but in this case there was a large number of people who saw someone needing help and decided to help, which is actually anarchy on the streets…
They're both technically anarchic, (no hierarchy among rioters either) but things like this demonstrate the lack of hierarchy is clearly not the problem in either situation.
anarchy isn’t just the lack of hierarchy, it’s an organization of society without hierarchical government.
a riot is chaos, not anarchy.
It's a bit of a semantic grey space, like many words. For common use, anarchy and chaos are synonyms, hence why your initial comment could be read both ways. For a certain class of 'rebellious' individual, it's used more like a naive, 'lower case l' libertarianism. For some, it means the absence of any social structure at all, a 'state of nature.' For some others it's the de facto reality of all systems using a definition of 'who has the most capacity for violence makes the rules.' For those studying sociology and anthropology, it's used specifically for a class of societal organizational systems that may be highly organized but share a lack of hierarchy. The shared element between the various uses is the lack of structure so I lean toward keeping it to that basic concept and hesitate to claim any of them are the 'correct' definition.
the equivocation between chaos and anarchy is a deliberate tactic to malign the philosophy.
if every time there was riots people yelled “there’s communism in the streets!” it wouldn’t change the meaning of the word.
throwing libertarian in there is just nuts so i see this going nowhere.
If enough people use a word to mean something different from what it used to mean, it literally does change the meaning, (e.g. radical meaning 'connected to a plant's roots,' the reason people say 'transwomen are real women.' etc.) but fair enough. Have a nice day.
Anthropologists changed the meaning of gender to refer only to the societal role and not biological sex. Not just from people using it that way, but from scientists who study humans. They needed that word because many societies have gender roles that aren’t strictly tied to sex.
i will have a terrible day, you can’t tell me what to do.
Haha, it was a well-wishing, short for 'I hope you have a nice day,' not a command. Have a nice day.
how could i have a nice day? i’m living in a fascist takeover.
I can't necessarily make a nice day happen for you, I just hope your day goes well to the extent it can.
i do appreciate the well wishing….
but, you can wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which one gets full faster.
And to shit into that hand, first one must have a wish to do so. A wish is precisely as real as fascism or anarchism, and a necessary but not sufficient precursor to any of the above.
sure
nuf said
I read it as meaning the exact opposite (as in, the crime part is what anarchy looks like) so they might want to reconsider the wording.
I wish they weren't corrupt, rapists, murderers, and recently, kidnappers.
Recently?
Abolish police. Form well-regulated militias instead. Most of the "police" don't even live in the neighborhoods they enforce the laws in.
Can you give me one example where this has EVER worked, on a scale larger than a couple thousand people.
not gonna happen
Anarchy is nice
Nah, anarchy probably wouldn't have cops to come pick him up at the end. They'd just beat him some more until they felt justified enough cause what else ya gonna do?
Anarchy would shun them from social systems until they made appropriate reperations. They might be jailed, they might be exiled, they might just be cut off from all but basic food/services/etc.
There are law enforcement answers in anarchist societies that aren't "have cops."
Please elaborate on how you would deal with professional violent criminals in an anarchist manner.
Sure. You try to head off the behavior before it gets there by ensuring basic needs are met for all and through social tools like shunning and group dynamics.
Your scenario springs up whole clothe without the above, so I would offer the following for it : Jail, exile, death. The order depends on the people involved in the society they created.
Being an anarchist doesn't mean you lack the current tools we use, it means you dont have to use them, or at least you dont have to reach for them first.
You didn't answer who exactly would jail a guy with a gun who's willing to use it and knows how to do it.
Id be glad to. Just tell me the name of everyone in the society, their general roles in different social situations, their agreed on laws and rules, and their specific stance on violence and how they want to respond to it.
Once you do, I can answer your very specific questions about a hypothetical community that doesnt currently exist and hasent been defined by any of the people in it.
So you don't have law enforcement answers in anarchist societies that aren't ‘have cops’. Dunno why you had to lie about it.
Its your hypothectical man. I've told you the community will need to come to a consensus on how they handle violence. Thats the only answer I can give if you wont give me the details above.