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They are/were communist because communism was/is the nominal end goal of their ruling ideologies
I would say that they were/are socialist states with the end goal of communism. I don't think communism is a single state is possible. I do think and I did say I think their parties are communist but communism one one state is a ruse.
IDK you can say I'm being pedantic but I prefer to say they're socialist states with communist parties.
no i mean that's what saying a given state or government is communist means, it's not a statement of "has achieved the theoretical state of communism"
You can't achieve a stateless, classless society when the only way to stop a bad guy with a state is a good guy with a state; therefore, real communism has never been tried
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Sorry, this is like 98% shitpostYeah that's the point of dotp and using the state apparatus to install a socialist state
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1921/apr/21.htm
Also Lenin would disagree with you
"State capitalism would be a step forward as compared with the present state of affairs in our Soviet Republic. If in approximately six months’ time state capitalism became established in our Republic, this would be a great success and a sure guarantee that within a year socialism will have gained a permanently firm hold and will have become invincible in this country."
Here he is writing about transitioning the ussr into state capitalism, it wasn't even socialist yet.
I fail to see why people can't comprehend the fact that a country doesn't just press the communism button the second a communist party is in charge.
And yet the bolsheviks were still a communist party. Because they were attempting to establish communism.
I never disagreed with this. Neither would lenin. I'm a leninist, I have his books in print.
If I became communist dictator of America right now, if wouldn't stop being a capitalist country over night.
The government would now be communist but the economic mode of production would still be capitalist. It would take years to change to socialism.
That's the entire point of the tax in Kind
I agree their governments are communist but the countries themselves have a not reached communism.
Yeah but saying "China is communist" isn't saying "china has achieved communism"
I think the argument you want to make against is that I'm being pedantic by saying the CPC is communist but the economic mode of China is socialism, which is fair in day to day conversation I wouldn't say that.
But you're kinda just repeating yourself saying china is communist and like, I agree the cpc is communist, they're a Marxist governing body. But I'm just being a pedantic ass and saying their economy isn't communist