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Scottish rock group Primal Scream superimposed swastikas combined with Stars of David over the eyes of Netanyahu & former Israeli defense minister Gallant, as well as other global politicians, in on-stage graphics during a Monday night concert, leading a Jewish security group to file a police complaint.
They were playing at the historic Roundhouse venue in north London & performed their 2000 single “Swastika Eyes.”
#UK #Scotland #Music #Art
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Shitty meme you can support Palestine and think that the war in Ukraine is just a war between two competing bourgeoises over who gets to keep looting that country. I don’t support either side they both suck.
Sure but if Russia succeeds (which looks like they do) itll be a huge blow to Western imperialism and to US hegemony (which I support)
Um no it won’t, all this means is that the western imperialists are being forced to double down and become even more erratic and oppressive. I live in Europe I didn’t vote for any of this fucking shit and now I have to deal with our glorious leaders deciding that they’re going to send us all to war. Hell even if Russia does win it’s not as if Russia is some anti capitalist state and is going to swoop in to help the oppressed proletariat in western nations plan a revolution. Russia loves supporting far right militias in Europe just as much as NATO does. You’re just swapping one ruling class for another, if cheering for various bourgeois psychos is how you enjoy free time then be my guest. Don’t pretend that this will help any normal person though.
Somehow I doubt that when and if the US empire falls that the geopolitical entity that fills its place will be some peace loving state that will usher in 1000 years of prosperity. It’ll just be the same shit with a different face. If you view global politics and the world like a chessboard like so many of our deal leaders all over the world do you’ll never break away from control and domination.
Edit: Don’t fall for vulgar Marxist rhetoric that uses the language of anti imperialism to reenforce the metabolism of capital and domination. You accused other people of not having read theory check out István Mészáros Beyond Capital.
Yes it does as it signals to the rest of the world that it can't enforce it's interests militarily anymore
No one says it is. You do know what revolutionary defeatism is right?
Not the ones in the imperial core, but in the global south it'll at least give breathing room for revolutionary movements
It looks to be a multipolar world. If you assume zero sum and view geopolitics as a grand chess board you likely think a new hegemon will take it's place
Thank u for the recommendation.
I had a long ass fucking response typed out but then my phone died and I lost it. So you're getting a shitty short summary.
I don't think the west has learned any lesson if the United States thought they had been defeated militarily why the fuck did they park their most expensive death machines off of the coast of Venezuela? Trump just likes Putin and likes the idea of ending wars that's why he's rushing to end this war now. He also painted the Ukraine was as being a democrat war which also why I think he wants to end it. I also have no idea what weird fucking dirt Putin has on Trump but I know he has something. I don't think Russia necessarily wants to keep the war going either to be honest and I think if they were forced to keep it going for another 3 years they would be pretty fucked.
I don't know if the multi polar world is going to be all that its cracked up to be, but ya lets see. By the end of the century our global economy is going to shrink because of all the environmental damage we've done to the planet, all these wars aren't going to slow down said destruction. So yeah I'm jealous that you have a positive view of the future because the way I see it the future is going to be more about surviving than thriving. I kinda envy the 20th century revolutionaries they got to have the hope that anything is possible in a world of endless opportunity where anything can be built. I feel like we have to come to terms with having less and less on a planet that was exploited more than it ever should have been just so a bunch of rich and powerful fucks could have their sex parties and yachts. Anyways this is a very shitty version of the much longer and more coherent post I had earlier. If you want I can send you a pdf of the book, IDK if everybody can open it because I downloaded it from the library.
Not what I'm saying. I'm saying other countries will see that the US isn't potent enough, as it lacks it's former industrial base, to enforce their interests militarily.
Venezuela isn't as strong of an enemy as Russia. Russia has been up until the Ukraine conflict one of the largest weapons exporters. The recently released US NSS basically admits that the US overextended itself. They also got chased away by Yemen.
the US overextended themselves as admitted in the NSS. Putin having leverage over Trump with some blackmail is too conspiratorial/lib imo
True I agree. It's definitely a tendency that exists.
Well first of all Russia was planning for war against the United States since atleast the 2010s I helped do some planning in my own way. The US and NATO armies in general had mainly been training for counter insurgency. Now thanks to this stupid war the war machine is shifting towards preparing for direct armed conflict with peer competitors. Is the US or NATO there yet? No, but thanks to this war the idiots are preparing for even more even more brutal wars.
You keep talking about imperialism being defeated but refuse to acknowledge that it’s going to be replaced by something just as bad if not worse. I’ll also repeat the fact that Russia currently supports and trains the Neo nazi movement in Europe just as much as the United States and the UK support the Neo Nazis in Ukraine, so fuck Russia. At the moment there is absolutely no left wing alternative in the west which for better or worse is still the richest part of the world and for now the largest producer of knowledge. Hell China needs us because if our markets were to collapse they wouldn’t be able to sell their shit. Even if China does overtake them I have little hope that they’ll be much better than the US any considering how quickly they threw the Palestinians under the bus.
This is why I have no side in any of this bullshit and neither should any leftist who isn’t some kind of political hack with an agenda. Currently the world is on a WW3 build up path and anybody stupid enough to cheer along either side and call themselves a leftist is hilarious to me. Anyways I’m done with this discussion because Lemmy has the exact same well akshually tendencies that Reddit does.
Viewing politics as a zero sum I win you loose game is the type of thinking that collapsing empires have.
I said Russia defeating Ukraine will be a blow to Western imperialism. Meaning they won't be able to topple as easily other government that seek economic emancipation.You can only defeat Imperialism by overcoming capitalism.
Not sure if I understand you correctly, but it sounds chauvinodt af
Have you been keeping up with their 15-5? The CPC plans to increase domestic consumption as they finally seem to come to terms that this is a vulnerability
I'm not going to give China any shit for this, as the genocide is primarily upheld and perpetuaded by western regimes that support Israel.
I agree that the UDSSR was way better in their foreign policy
There's a qualitative difference between gaining power through military intervention and diplomatic and economic coercion like the west does (viewing the world through the lens or zero sum) and gaining power through trade and gaining it through trade and looking for win win opportunities
Sounds Idealist and ultra leftist but you do you
If being pro Ukraine is part of anti-war-ism, that means supporting capitalist homophobic nazi-infested Russia is pro-war-ism.
I see you're kind hearted in the sense that you don't like war (assuming you're anti Zionist) but are lib and haven't read enough political theory to fully understand the root cause of it (NATO eastward expansion and western imperialism)
Ukraine wouldn't have so much western military aid if Russia didn't invade. Ukraine wouldn't want to be part of NATO so desperately if Russia didn't invade. I think it's Russia's fault NATO is expanding.
What function did NATO serve after the dissolution of the UDSSR? How did Russia turn from foe (UDSSR) to friend (Russian Federation) to foe again? Which enemy did NATO after the dissolution of the UDSSR have in order to justify the defensive alliance? What role do you think the military industrial complex played in this?
These aren't rhetorical questions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
Sealioning is when you question someones understanding of a topic that they are very confident about
Nah it was kind of internal paranoia and a fear of Russia from former Warsaw pact states that lead to NATO expansion, they often weren’t forced to join. However the United States never had any problem with this and always allowed them to join knowing that Russia at the time was essentially to weak to do anything about it. As John McCaine famously said „Russia is just a gas station with nukes“ so the United States kept meddling thinking that even if Russia did invade they would easily destroy them. Basically the United States decided that winning the Cold War wasn’t enough and that instead of allowing Europe and Russia to integrate their economies and technology with each other they would rather keep us divided and fighting (imagine what kind of a huge power block Europe and Russia would of been together also we gotta keep buying American weapons and justify the occupation of our countries by US troops somehow after all the military industrial complex freaks have to eat as well)
At some point after several years of covert war in Ukraine Putin freaked the fuck out and invaded and now you have the joy of people on the internet treating this war like a football game where they pick their favourite side and shill for them as much as possible.
Both sides in that war fucking suck millions of people have died most of Europes economies have been struggling because of it and we now have to deal with a lot of political polarisation that both sides have been pushing. If you really do care about the proletariat of either of these nations you would never support this or any other shitty war, because at the end of the day the ruling classes decided they wanted this war not the masses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bThaR3A3Xc
There is a pretty cool song made by Laibach made in 1994
I don't want this war. That's why I want Russia to go home. Ukraine can't go home, because Russia's there. So the war ends if Russia goes home.
Just say you want war 🙄 don’t need to be all coy about it.
Anyways pretty funny because I’ve heard young Ukrainian men say the same to me. Of course they ran away from combat and have money, so they’re always very comfortable to send other people to die for them.
You realise geopolitics isn't a sports game, right? You can be a critic of US imperialism and Russian imperialism.
You realise that the disagreement is in our definitions of imperialism, right?
Labeling Russia simply "imperialist" or "not imperialist" is inadequate. Russia is a revisionist, semi-peripheral power with imperialist tendencies and practices, particularly in its near abroad, but lacking the integrated monopoly-finance capitalist base that defines core imperialist powers like the US.
Russia is reacting to US imperialism.
Go smoke your bong. No matter what arguments you try to pull, the moment they actually invaded Ukraine, they became THE aggressors, and are in the wrong.
They became the aggressor when you strip the context.
They will still be sorrounded by NATO after conquering Ukraine, not an improvement really.
Why would they do it then?
I'm guessing a mixture of desperation, and trying to outlive the west (if they can just grab enough resources for their needs until the west collapses, they can deal with other issues later). Still, I can't support the invasion. If they could just stop being assholes, they would have more allies, people liked Putin, and he improved Russia's reputation before the Ukraine war (and they even somewhat overlooked the Crimea invasion).
No one does. War is an extension of diplomacy
The old man wants to feel like a powerful leader before he dies, and he doesn't care what happens afterwards
I dont subscribe to great man theory understanding of history
That's okay, I only want you to subscribe to great man theory of dictatorships. You can subscribe to a different theory for other kinds of government.
I subscribe to historical materialism. Seeing as you think history is driven by great man I understand why you thought the questions I gave you are sealioning in your eyes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_man_theory
Wow, you're really bad at listening. I'm glad I didn't answer those questions
You wrote:
History isnt driven by decisions of a single person. Nation states have interests and their leaders act accordingly. If Putin hits his head and rediscovers Marx, the oligarchy will get rid of him.
Me too because it would've been great man theory brainrot anyway
The old man wants to feel like a powerful leader
And the other old man wants to feel like a powerful leader
And the other other old man wants to feel like a powerful leader
All the old men in control of Russia want to feel like powerful leaders
What about the young comedian that wants to feel like a powerful leader? And his fascist friends that want to feel like powerful leaders? and what about the cabal of pedofile leaders in the US that support him?
Not a useful framework to analyse. But you do you
If Russia just treated Ukraine proper, and not steal Crimea like they did.
Then, Ukraine would become good allies if actually treated well.
Crazy that they did just that. I'm sure there's no context
The context is probably oil, sea control, so on. They know they are on the edge when it comes to global dominance, and that it was their last chance to defeat NATO, so they resorted to realpolitik. Does not mean we should be for conquering a free and innocent country like Ukraine.
Probably? Don't guess, investigate.
A great thinker (Mao zedong) once said: "no investigation no right to speak"
Oh sure, countries invade for resources all the time, it makes sense in the geopolitical context, and we had prior examples of this happening, but I have to go find citations from several authority figures to prove what's obvious.
If there's two of you, and one of you ate the apple, and you know it's not you.
Are you going to spend time investigating?
Again, I don't buy the NATO aggression story, and I wanted to be generous and not use the Putin wants to restart the USSR theory, so what is left there?
Resource scarcity/survival.
Do you consider topling governments to privatize everything and sell weapons to also not as aggression?
Not sure where you got the idea from, but I dont think anyone seriously belives this
Who said that we were? Analysis is not justification.
The root cause for Russia to resort to realpolitik is NATO Eastward expansion aka expanding the market for western weapons manufacturers and increasing the demand for weapons by provoking conflict
...there's our difference, I just don't buy that story, because I'm not team-codded. I'm pro-Palestine, anti-Ukraine.
You don't buy the western imperialist story when they support a genocide in Palestine, but buy it when they support a banderist regime in Ukraine for them to privatize everything for western capital... Ok