The fuck did i just read?
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Yeah, sure, it had nothing to do with the whole continent being populated by tiny Hitlers in the making. It was actually the opposition to fascism that made the fascists do it. Return Europe to the stone age, no more internet access for the racism continent.
This isn't even Molotov-Ribbentrop brainrot, BTW, Hitler took power years before the war. I don't see how this can be anything but blaming Hitlerism on the corrupting influence of the Bolsheviks, which is advanced-level European racism (we're bringing back "Judeo-Bolshevism", but now to excuse the nazis lmao).
That implication isn't certain. An alternate (charitable?) reading of it is that they're saying that a revolutionary state dominated by anarchists (or by a broad united front) would have been strong enough to never allow the monarchies to invade, and pre-empt the fascists from taking power at least in Germany.
This begs the question, though. Historically, we don't see united fronts being all that stable and we don't see anarchists becoming regional geopolitical heavy hitters. If the recipe for these clearly existed in 1917, why has it not been employed since then?
Anyway, this is why I so firmly take the stance of "history doesn't prove very much definitively; there simply isn't the sample size required to be scientific". There are lots of possible outcomes from any scenario, and no one has the special knowledge to make history proceed only in their preferred way.
Yes. Like...literally what the genuine fuck? I uses to be an anarchist but I never thought anything close to this. This is coconuts
I actually think there's some validity to this.
Hitler wouldn't have gotten nearly as much support from the German and international bourgeoisie and aristocracy if they weren't terrified by the prospect of the successful proletarian revolution happening across the Baltic. Fascism is the immune response of Capitalism and if there was no red plague there may not have been a brown fever.
Does that make Hitler and WWII Lenin or the Bolshevik's fault?
Obviously not, that's a ridiculous line to draw, and the Soviet revolution was ultimately successful in crushing the Nazi reaction and saving the world from fascism. But I don't think it's incorrect to say that without Lenin there may not have been a Hitler.
Well yes, it's true in that sense, but that's definitely not what the redditor meant.
It was also inevitable that the bourgeois would need fascism to defend their interests, I think, European capitalism was falling apart and if it hadn't been the USSR it might have been something else. I think it would be more correct to say that both communism and fascism grew out of European capitalism.
Frankly it's just a weird hypothetical to indulge in.
Socialism (in various forms) was popular across the European continent at the time and tiny revolutions were popping off everywhere. Yeah if the October Revolution hadn't happened maybe the Nazis would have never come to be. But, ANY socialist revolution being successful would spark a reactionary backlash. So if the Bolsheviks had lost maybe the Nazis would have never come to be, but what then? Another socialist revolution was going to happen somewhere, which would likely spark it's own reactionary response.
I feel like these people want to wait for some mythical opportune moment when the revolution can happen in a cleaner way. Where maybe we need to execute some billionaires and maybe some of their more ardent reactionary hounds, but no actual complicated, long, bloody revolution proper has to happen.