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Archive link for those of us in the customs union.

Uh oh ๐Ÿ˜ณ. It's Wes Streeting whom we all hate because of NHS. But he wants us to rejoin the Custom's Union. Fuck! How do we choose? Will it be a path to rejoining or will it be in fighting and dogma? ๐Ÿซ ๐Ÿ˜œ.

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[โ€“] radiouser@crazypeople.online 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I understand the strength of your feeling on this, but I'd suggest that using terms like "racists," "idiots," and "cunts" to describe voters is counterproductive. That kind of language tends to alienate rather than persuade, hardening opposition and overshadowing any valid points you may have.

[โ€“] FelixCress@lemmy.world -1 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

I'd suggest that using terms like "racists," "idiots," and "cunts" to describe voters is counterproductive

It is factual and this is what matters to me.

That kind of language tends to alienate rather than persuade

See the rest of my comment - I have no intention of persuading anyone. Racists/nazis/fascists should have their voting rights taken away.

[โ€“] knowone@slrpnk.net 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah I have to agree that simply labeling people as this is reductive and doesn't help things. There are valid reasons for not being in the EU from a left wing perspective, and the reasons for voting for Brexit are wide. I believe that it was wrong of us to leave. But we shouldn't simply attack and insult people for voting for us to leave when there are various longstanding socioeconomic conditions that have led to it. Racism/xenophobia was a big factor, sure, and the people that voted for it based off that are bad. But it's far from the only reason. The problem is that so much of our situation, or what could have been our situation, has been put down to us being in/not being in the EU. We can address those socioeconomic conditions that led to the leave vote winning without being in the EU. Unfortunately we haven't had a government since the vote that's been willing to do what needs to be done

[โ€“] FelixCress@lemmy.world 0 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

There are valid reasons for not being in the EU

No.

the reasons for voting for Brexit are wide.

See my previous comments as to who voted for Brexshit.

But we shouldn't simply attack and insult people

Being factual is not insulting.

[โ€“] knowone@slrpnk.net 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Thanks for the productive discussion. I'll take these well thought out and explained points of yours against my own and think on them

Have you considered a career in politics? You'd be so good at convincing people and not just sitting on a supposed "intellectual" high horse while what you want to happen doesn't

[โ€“] FelixCress@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago

Thanks for the productive discussion

You are very welcome, anytime.