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Boiling lobsters while they are alive and conscious will be banned as part of a government strategy to improve animal welfare in England.

Government ministers say that “live boiling is not an acceptable killing method” for crustaceans and alternative guidance will be published.

The practice is already illegal in Switzerland, Norway and New Zealand. Animal welfare charities say that stunning lobsters with an electric gun or chilling them in cold air or ice before boiling them is more humane.

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[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I.e. prohibit all hunted meats? Then say that. But this is not a practical solution.

[–] balsoft@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Yes.

Start with prohibiting animal farming, then ban animal murder alltogether.

It is the only solution, it is not actually that difficult, and it is an inevitable outcome of human development.

In a few centuries, humans will look at today's animal explotation the same way we look at cannibalism and slavery.

[–] MrFinnbean@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Im always supriced how many people think huntings only reason is to kill the animalls and eat the carcasses.

There are many places where humans have killed the natural predators for some animals and in those places animal population is in danger to grow uncontrollably spreading disaeses and dangering natures balance even further. Herbivores without carnivores can and will destroy the forest floors and growth if let unchecked, wich can cascade to further destroy enviroment for different species like small mammals, bugs and birds.

Most obvious fix (and best for enviroment) would be introducing the big predators back in the area, wich is very easy to say when you live in a big city and your, children, pets or livelyhood is safe and sound. People dont want wolfs on their backyards any more than people want lions on the streets of NY. Also i dont see much difference for the animal if they get shot by a rifle or tearn down by a pack of predators.

Other solution for protecting the animals would be capturing and shipping hunted animals to wildlive reservois where they could live with the predators without any interactions with humans, but that would again leave the nature where they were transported from in a unbalanced state where for example plants like vines could spread suffocating other plants.

Then there are exotic animal trophy hunting that many people seem to hate. Most places that offer that have chosen the hunted animal preforehand. Like old male lion that are not fertile anymore, but still tries to kill other lions cubs, or elephant that has started to showing extreme aggression. With that money source safaries can fight against illegal poachers and protect endangered animals like black rhinos, while they keep the other animal population healthy. Those animals would need to be killed anyway and if somebody is willing to pay for doing it I dont see how that is bad.

I personally live in rural area. This year wolfs have killed few dogs and livestock like chickens from the yards of my neighbors. Do i wish all the wolfs to be killed? No. Do i wish childrens could walk or bike to school without fear of being attacked. Yes. I have also lost family in accident where moose ran in front of their car. I definedly dont wish for uncontrolled moose population making accidents like that more common.

But i agree with your sentiment that we need to move away from animal farming. Not because reason i personally find naive and childish like "cows are friends" but because its bad for enviroment and we as a humankind are eating meat in our meals more than we need.

[–] Coleslaw4145@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

Start with prohibiting animal farming, then ban animal murder alltogether

What do you do with livestock animals that make up 62% of all mammals on Earth?

[–] remon@ani.social 6 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Start with prohibiting animal farming, then ban animal murder alltogether.

That certainly would be an interesting civil war.

[–] aesviation@lemmings.world 0 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

It doesn't even require a war.

Meat is heavily subsidized and benefits from economies of scale. Once enough people stop eating meat on their own, more people will follow suit because it will be too expensive.

It's one of the big reasons why there's such a huge cultural resistance to veganism. Meat abstinence will make meat more expensive for the ones who keep eating it, and of course cut into the profits of the shitty companies making it.

[–] remon@ani.social 0 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

It doesn’t even require a war.

Try banning it (or pricing it out of existence) and you will get one.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 23 hours ago

In a few centuries, humans will look at today's animal explotation the same way we look at cannibalism and slavery.

some already do, but most people who have heard this argument are not convinced of it, so I doubt this is how things will turn out

[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I really don't think we'll ever stop eating animals. We've been doing it for hundreds of thousands of years, it's practically part of our DNA. Why would we stop now? Vegans haven't made a lot of progress convincing people, that's for sure

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 3 points 18 hours ago

presumably there will be more suitable protein sources when space travel becomes a thing

[–] balsoft@lemmy.ml 6 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

We've done a lot of other awful things since forever: forced child "marriages" (or just sexual abuse before then), child exploitation, some form of slavery, have all been a thing for millenia. And yet many societies now frown upon those, punish the perpetrators and help the victims.

What makes you think this (or other awful shit we still do) will be any different?

All those actions are no more or less "in our DNA" then meat consumption.

And, well, vegans have convinced some non-trivial amount of people, as you can deduce by the fact that many companies put "vegan" stickers on their products, because they think it will increase their profits.

[–] little_tuptup@lemmy.ml 3 points 18 hours ago

example, violence for entertainment. yes we've majorly turned against that which is good. child marriage, also good we got rid of that.

meat for food though, that is in our biology. our bodies need the nutrients that come from meat. we are biologically omnivores. yeah we can try to supplant that, but it's through an artificial means.

I'm all for it, but i don't think it's going to be frowned upon in the future and i don't think all humans can switch over to a plant based diet tomorrow. vegans are too much caught up in themselves to think of the practicality.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 23 hours ago

ban animal murder

no such thing.