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"Pride should be reserved for something you achieve or obtain on your own, not something that happens by accident of birth." - George Carlin
Tell that to the guy with the 10” dick
Hey man I still have to maintain the heart that keeps that thing full of blood during strenuous aerobic exercise.
Exactly, that's why you shouldn't be proud to be LGBT+
Yeah no pride is about SURVIVING while being queer. Thats what they should be and are proud about.
Pride for being LGBT isn't about being proud for being LGBT. It's about being proud of being yourself despite living in a society that usually tells them not to, or even persecutes them for being themselves. That is an action, an act of rebellion and truth in the face of adversity. That is what they're proud of.
Pride for being yourself openly despite others negative pushback and reactions is certainly something I can get behind! Just important to not confuse it with pride for being LGBT+ though
Why is that important?
Yeah but it's actually not that important tho
Maybe one day, but one could argue that it takes active effort to be openly LGBT+ because of the potential harassment or worse
This. Even coming out when people are supportive is rough to say nothing of a huge portion of the world hating you for no reason.
Also, pride is more about visibility than actual pride. About showing each other that we aren't alone and that it's ok to be open.
You think it doesn't take work to be yourself when society hates you? Interesting take.
It doesn't take work to be LGBT+, that's something you're born as. You could definitely argue that for many people in our current society it takes sacrifice to be openly LGBT+ though
Takes work to SURVIVE the shame and world people like you create.
Really doing some gymnastics to stir shit eh
No.
It certainly does take work to be gay when it's societally unacceptable. Either you do work to hide it, or you do work to convince yourself that you're not.
You're right. In this society it takes work to be LGBT+. And if you do something based on that, it also takes effort, which can make you proud. But it's still not a choice to be LGBT+, and in other societies it would not be anything to be proud of, just as you shouldn't be proud to be white, or straight.
That's right. We strive to one day no longer need lgbtq pride. That's the goal.
Ahh, so you finally admit being LGBT+ ISN'T A "CHOICE," but instead who you actually are at birth!
That premise is central to my syllogism
So then why specifically mention LGBTT+?
Oh, I specifically mentioned it because lots of people seem to think you can and should be proud to be LGBT+, eg 'pride' month and everything
Lots of people think they should be proud to be white - so much so that we have the very post under which we are discussing this topic where someone is falsely claiming to be such. THAT would have made far more sense to use. It seems to me that you're telling yourself that you're making a valid point, but instead you're merely revealing your own bias.
You're getting me wrong - I don't think anyone should be proud to be anything they didn't put effort into. All I want is consistency.
Yet you specifically went after a particular group that's consistently marginalized. I might have believed what you're claiming had you mentioned multiple examples, but you didn't.
I can mention multiple examples if you like.
All are not anything to be proud of in themselves, but only when society makes it take effort to be that.
Majority/minority status has a lot to do with it.
Chinese pride for the country of China? Ethnic nationalism. Chinese pride in a city like Chicago where they're a small minority - well that's a different beast entirely. Because again, "pride" is about visibility, it's the opposite of "shame." And Shame has been used as a cudgel for a long time - on minorities, not on majorities, despite white people's persecution complex.
Swap the word "pride" for "visibility" and your argument is dead.
Queer visibility ≠ ethnic nationalism.