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My main criteria for a browser is not being Chrome or Chromium based.
This leaves my only options being Firefox and it's forks.
Or Microsoft Edge which stifles laughter I'm not gonna do.
Currently on Firefox but might give Librewolf a try.
Edit: I've been told Edge is also Chromium based now, the Firefox ecosystem really is the last holdout huh?
Edge has been Chromium based since 2020.
What was it based on before that? When windows 10 initially launched. I know old edge sucked, but what engine did it use?
EdgeHTML
They should open source it.
Uhhh, Internet explorer?
No, the initial versions of Edge used a new engine that was different from Internet Explorer's Trident engine.
Edge is Chromium-based. It's also not (functionally) half bad, because, well, it's chromium based, but that obviously comes with all the other drawbacks
My workplace is basically as close to 100% Microsoft as you can get. When I started I figured "hey let's try out this new Edge browser and see if it's as good as people are saying" and y'know what, it's had some nice features that Chrome lacks that I really appreciate.
However Microsoft entirely killed it for me by recently making every browser profile automatically sign into the Microsoft account that Windows is signed into. I was using different profiles to use different Microsoft accounts for managing Microsoft services so now I have my named account everywhere instead of the correct admin account that actually has access to more than the bare minimum. Literally entirely defeated the purpose of browser profiles. So I switched to Firefox at work because I can use the tab container feature for the same purpose and have fewer windows open at once as an added benefit
It's moreso that it's under Microsoft's thumb. See all the tech companies are unreliable and out for you data but Microsoft also consistently fumbles on everything. They made Windows and Office then just stopped doing anything new and kept making their old products worse.
Xbox is practically dead, they bought Minecraft and you can feel the vultures circling overhead, even the AI bubble they're just funding OpenAI and making slight adjustments for their own versions.
I'm planning on jumping ship to Linux when I make a new PC. Only thing Microsoft I even consider using nowadays is VScode.
You can jump to vscodium if you want code but without telemetry
without*
There's always Netscape...
Firefox and maybe Ladybird (if it doesn't turn into vaporware)
As alternatives to webkit/chromium/gecko browsers go, I like ladybird's speed of progress and their mentality of doing everything themselves (no external dependencies), but Kling's political views are concerning. Servo is going slower but still making progress (fell behind in implementing web standards), and both are kinda terrible in terms of speed afaik
Servo I've fully not heard of until just now, I'll have to take a look-see
I use both librewolf and water fox and love them both
Waterfox has been great so far!
You have Safari and its forks.
Palemoon is another option.
Safari breaks everything though. Tons of sites out there flat out do not work properly with safari and at this point we all know that’s intentional.
Lol, nobody uses Safari, not even iOS users
Some Gnome users do.
Ah yes, iOS users, famously tech savvy.
Brand Tribalism only supports the brands, don't fall for their bullshit.
iOS and Android and Microsoft and Linux users are all just as smart as each other.
I said tech savvy, not smart. This isn't brand tribalism, it comes directly from what you are and aren't able to do with the OS compared to alternatives.
You can install other browsers without being tech savvy, it was legally mandated that they allow it after them and Microsoft got sued for anti-competition laws by the EU
I wasn't just referring to browsers, I was referring to the design philosophy as a whole and the type of users it draws.
Ah, so
As far as I can tell that's what you're saying
How am I calling them stupid? I'm saying it draws less tech savvy users because their design philosophy caters towards that. You're the one equating that with intelligence.