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Florida man kills wife, shoots stepdaughter after fight over NFL game: Don't shoot me' (www.usatoday.com)

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[–] supamanc@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

So you're end goal is a total ban. Good luck finding people who want to go door to door removing firearms from people...and the criminals will still keep theirs.

Please please wise one, tell me how you plan on enforcing your ban on a country with 450+ million firearms in circulation

I am literally responding to the question you proposed. But yes, a total ban seems most prudent.

12k~ people a year are killed by drunk drivers. https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/drunk-driving

The key difference, as I already said, is intent. People aren't setting out with the intention to get drunk, drive and kill someone. So yes, we should do more to prevent drunk driving. There is a lot more that can be done. Why do we have to pick between reducing drunk driving and reducing murder. As you already said, we're never going to eliminate murder,bit we can make it harder.

And you think that it was the guns fault? Not that an abusive piece of shit did this... ;Are you suggesting that a 110lb woman would be able to defend against a 200lb man if he didn't have a gun? Firearms are literally the greatest equalizer.

If he didn't gave access to a gun, he wouldn't have shot her. Anything beyond that is speculation. But in my opinion, whilst abusive men best their partners to death with depressing frequency, the majority stop somewhere short of actual murder. Whereas when they grab a gun, it tends to end in death. Guns are th great equaliser? So like I said before, this woman should have been sitting on the sofa with a loaded gun at Christmas? Just in case? Guns used in self defence are a myth, the overwhelming majority are used by an aggressor.

It absolutely does matter. Crimes of passion are very few, most are from as you stated between two people who know each other and done spur of the moment.

Exactly, spur of the moment. And when that moment passes, people change their mind. Relatively few murders are actually planned, and when the 'passion' fades so does the desire to kill.

Do you think that most murders happen at a large distance? Do you even know how many people are killed each year via knives alone? I'll give you a hint, it's 4xs higher than all rifles.

What the fuck are you even trying say with your cherry picked statistic here? From your own statistics page, undisclosed firearms make up more deaths than every other non forearm category combined. All firearm combined make up 15x the combination of every non firearms category.

Do you really think that someone who's stabbing someone stops and thinks "I shouldn't do this"...

Yes. Extensive research into the knife crime 'epidemic' in London has shown this happens in about 75% of cases where one person had an knife and intended to stab another.

There is no comparable country. That's the problem.

Ah American exceptionalism. To go with your personal exceptionalism. The beliefbthst you are special, and deserve to keep you guns, no matter the cost to society as a whole.

Yep, and it's mostly gang violence, not random, but no one gives a shit about that.

He says, whilst dismissing it. I care about it. Hence including it in my statistics.

Yes because I remember now that we defeated Nazis with thoughts and prayers.

Moving the goalposts. You were talking about how you need a gun to protect yourself from the fascists in power. Well, they're still in power. And getting more power everyday. And the only ones using their guns are..... The fascists.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

I am literally responding to the question you proposed. But yes, a total ban seems most prudent.

I didn't get an answer, but at least you're honest in your insane idea.

The key difference, as I already said, is intent. People aren't setting out with the intention to get drunk, drive and kill someone.

Lol that doesn't make it better. It makes it worse.

So yes, we should do more to prevent drunk driving. There is a lot more that can be done. Why do we have to pick between reducing drunk driving and reducing murder. As you already said, we're never going to eliminate murder,bit we can make it harder.

Again. How do you propose that? You plan on putting breathalyzers in everyone's cars?

If he didn't gave access to a gun, he wouldn't have shot her.

Naa he'd just have stabbed her to death. Or beat her to death with his hands.

Anything beyond that is speculation. But in my opinion, whilst abusive men best their partners to death with depressing frequency, the majority stop somewhere short of actual murder.

https://sanctuaryforfamilies.org/femicide-epidemic/

Furthermore, when compared to male homicides, femicides tend to be more violent and intimate in nature — **women are less likely than men to be killed in a shooting, but more likely to be beaten, stabbed, or strangled. **

They really don't.

Whereas when they grab a gun, it tends to end in death.

As the above states...no they don't.

Guns are th great equaliser? So like I said before, this woman should have been sitting on the sofa with a loaded gun at Christmas?

No, this woman should have had the ability to leave her abusive husband, and not had to rely on him for food/shelter and income. Hence the safety nets I keep talking about.

Guns used in self defence are a myth, the overwhelming majority are used by an aggressor.

They're not. https://ammo.com/research/defensive-gun-use-statistics#defensive-gun-use-sources-references

I hate using this site, but the sources are from the FBI stats. DGUs happen all the time, most of the time a shot isn't even fired.

Exactly, spur of the moment. And when that moment passes, people change their mind. Relatively few murders are actually planned, and when the 'passion' fades so does the desire to kill.

Yep, and you think people stabbing someone to death have a change of heart mid stabbing?

What the fuck are you even trying say with your cherry picked statistic here? From your own statistics page, undisclosed firearms make up more deaths than every other non forearm category combined. All firearm combined make up 15x the combination of every non firearms category.

All firearms combined equal that many because of suicides. My point was that you act like guns are a one trigger dead and require no thought, because they're at a distance, and people wont kill as often because knives or hands take more thought...which isn't true.

Yes. Extensive research into the knife crime 'epidemic' in London has shown this happens in about 75% of cases where one person had an knife and intended to stab another.

Source? Cause that's not the case here in the USA.

Ah American exceptionalism. To go with your personal exceptionalism. The beliefbthst you are special, and deserve to keep you guns, no matter the cost to society as a whole.

As I've stated. We are different. We have no safety nets here, we're massive and have a huge issue with lack of education. So yes we are way different.

He says, whilst dismissing it. I care about it. Hence including it in my statistics.

I didn't dismiss it. I called it out multiple times that without guns(magically disappearing somehow) they would still kill each other. You fix the societal problems that create gangs, the war on drugs, the for profit prisons, the lack of funding for education, the lack of proper paying jobs, the lack of healthcare, etc....that's how you fix gun violence as a whole. Not by trying to remove the tool that's being used.

Moving the goalposts. You were talking about how you need a gun to protect yourself from the fascists in power. Well, they're still in power. And getting more power everyday. And the only ones using their guns are..... The fascists.

Again. We're not at the ammo box yet. And while fascist are around, you wanna disarm everyone....real genius idea.