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I keep hearing how everyone’s electric bills are going up with AI data centers near them. Why aren’t the companies paying the bill? Or is it building the infrastructure to accommodate them the issue?

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[–] Telemachus93@slrpnk.net 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Expanding on that: in competitive electricity markets, in theory, total demand is met by the cheapest plants (by "marginal price": how much does an additional unit of electricity cost?) that are available.

The marginal price of PV, wind and hydropower is pretty much zero.

The next cheapest are usually older nuclear fission plants and coal power plants.

Then is a huge gap and then come newer nuclear plants and gas fired power plants.

But all of these plants aren't built over night. So maybe before all of the datacenters, total demand may have mostly been met by renewables and coal and gas power plants only operated a few hundred hours per year. Now, total demand rises and those plants need to operate more often. That's why the prices rise just because of demand increase. Other effects (e.g. changes in regulation, corporate greed, ...) might be at play as well.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 21 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Sure, but the companies driving the increased demand should be paying for the increased capacity directly instead of having the general public subsidize it.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 points 23 hours ago

Some AI companies are doing this because the cost of relying on the open market is too high to build in certain areas and the standard of electricity required by the data center may be something that the grid can't supply.

There are also some countries, like Saudi Arabia, trying to lure data centers into their countries by offering cheap land, permitting, and cheap electricity.

[–] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

No no no! It’s cheaper for them to pay off politicians for special rates and then pass on the cost to the consumer! Won’t you think of the poor billionaires!

[–] Gerudo@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago

Think of the shareholders!

[–] TwoTiredMice@feddit.dk 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

How would that work? With a flat fee or depending on whether ai companies are tipping the scale to a more expensive marginal price within a price period?

[–] Telemachus93@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Colombia has price discrimination for residential areas: households in richer areas have to pay more than those in poorer areas. I don't know how good the actual implementation works out for the people there, but it was in effect when I was there more than 10 years ago and it still seems to be (see "estratos" here: https://www.enel.com.co/content/dam/enel-co/espa%C3%B1ol/personas/1-17-1/2025/pliego-tarifario-enel-diciembre-2025.pdf). If that is possible for different areas of one city, of course we could make data centers pay more for 1 kWh than a private consumer would.

It just won't happen in our hyper-capitalist north american and european countries.

[–] TwoTiredMice@feddit.dk 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't know how wide spread smart meters are in the US, but it should be fairly simple so have an extra tariff on these kind of consumers, or perhaps just tariffs during peak periods.

At least it could be enforced that the surplus heat from data centers had to be reused in some way, could be residental heating or ptx.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Smart meters aren’t necessary for that. We already have different rates for different usage levels. I’d actually worry that this is the problem. I don’t know how rates work for industrial needs but in a lot of things the biggest users can negotiate a discount. As one of the biggest users, are they driving up rates by not only exceeding supply but also paying less? Are your utility regulators looking out for all their customers or just the big ones?

Smart meters are more useful to vary rates by time of day, to help adjust demand for the level of supply

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Make every kWh above the average power draw have a higher cost and it increases further with every additional kWh.