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Methinks this evidence may not be so compelling as the many posts explicitly bashing liberals without context, see this post.
You seem to think we're using "liberal" in the American mainstream political context. We are not.
This is a socialist/communist/anarchist/leftist space.
When we say "liberal" we're talking about people who support "free market"/laissez-faire capitalism, individualsm, and voting once every four years as the ultimate political action a citizen takes, etc.
In the context of the US this covers pretty much all mainstream politics, democrat and republicans (except some of the further fringes)
Well, see, there you've provided context. Perhaps it would be more obvious to an active participant in the instance but as a mere All scroller, context is often lost.
Like, I know that there was some kind of spat between the blahaj instance and this one, but to be honest I'm mostly lost to the specifics aside from the fact that two instances supporting trans rights (as far as I know) had a political difference.
liberalism = left wing bourgeois ideology (i.e the "center-right")
conservatism = right wing bourgeois ideology (i.e. "the right")
fascism = far right bourgeois ideology that pretends to be proletarian ideology (i.e. the "alt right")
socialism/anarchism/communism = working class proletarian ideology (i.e. the "true left")
this is why i don't care for the "left/right" distinction since it was born in the french parliament in the 1700s, and only ever pertained to the political division within the property-owning classes. In America it's especially bad since no distinction is made between anyone to the left of Ronald Reagan. To the American conservative, Joe Biden and Che Guevara might as well be the same person.
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Yes. Liberals are right wing, just a bit less than conservatives. We are left wing. Or centrist if you prefer to refer to it that way, as we attempt to avoid left and right deviationism
I agree that it's not very compelling evidence. Conservatives are well known for their support for trans people.
I see what you're getting at and I agree, but on the other hand I don't think hating trans people is a prerequisite to being conservative. You can be socially somewhat liberal and economically conservative. Or maybe you're fine with identity politics but hate immigrants. Or you can merely be classist. There's a whole spectrum of hate!
The complicit action of voting for or participating/aligning with a political party that enables, allows, or focuses upon ensuring the continued harm of the LGBTQ population makes a person a reactionary. Therefor if someone identifies as conservative and votes conservative they are, "whether they wish to admit it or not", participating in the marginalization of trans individuals. Similarly people that align with the democratic party (another end of the neoliberal spectrum of America between Dems and GOP) without acknowledging their own shit in the shed are also within a reactionary political body and complicit.