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[–] calliope@retrolemmy.com 43 points 4 days ago (5 children)

The northern U.S. and the South are essentially different countries.

[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 44 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The year: 1859

The Union took the worst possible course with "reconstruction": it placated and allowed the rot to persist, grow and self-govern again while having equal voice so quickly to states that didn't attempt to secede. The north should have either just let the south secede, or finished the job with a full-scale cultural annihilation that would have taken decades. We have been fighting the civil war since 1860, the civil rights movement a major battle but have now ceded government power to a group who wants to finally kill the union and get revenge on those terrible folks who took away their slave labor.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Reconstruction should have been a New Deal/Marshall Plan level reimagining of a new country. Instead not only did we let things rot and fester while pretending much was solved, but any sort of reparations would make more sense while the actual last generation victims were alive.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 days ago

It's never too late to go after the recipients of stolen money...

Every Confederate officer and member of government, or highly decorated enlisted needed to be hanged. Every single one.

CSA culture was just slavery. It was all slavery, the same way the Zionists today are all genocide. There's nothing else. The white confederates needed to be exterminated, and we're still suffering from having not.

I know we won't, but I would like us to learn a lesson from history a single fucking time. Just one fucking time.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

It's not a North/South divide, it's urban/city.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I would consider Ohio to be northern, and they're certainly on their way

[–] calliope@retrolemmy.com 10 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Indiana too. Technically northern but sometimes we’re not sure.

[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 days ago

Indiana is the Alabama of the Midwest.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

When illinois legalized marijuana I was like this is awesome because all the states are around us will not take the stick up their but about that no matter how much money flows into our state. I mean wisconsin is the liberal neighbor.

[–] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Fortunately Wisconsin has had the UP for weed for quite a while, and the market up there is so heavily saturated that it’s cheap as hell even with the road trip factored in. Half of Wisconsin has billboards saying shit like “legal weed is how close??” And then the distance to the dispensary being advertised. Southern Wisconsin is doing better now that states around those borders are legal, though, so yay!

It’s so absurd that it’s not legal here, when it’s illegal on paper only due to widespread availability close to the borders. We very quickly lost our chance to be major players in the industry regionally. Like there’s no massive tax money to be had from legalizing here now because they would still be competing with states that have a mature market and thus significantly lower prices. So dumb and shortsighted.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 4 days ago

I sorta hope more borders states do it just because illinois did the illinois thing and its to corp friendly and individual antagonistic. If the border states do it we will have to lower the taxes and fees and maybe they will allow some personal grow.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Say what you will Ohio sid legalize marijuana and abortion, though both took ballot initiatives that were fiercely opposed by the state government

[–] cyberwitch@reddthat.com 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Tell that to Idaho and Montana

[–] LemmyBruceLeeMarvin@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

Idaho is so depressing. From the land that produced Frank Church of the infamous Church committee, to an absolute right wing shithole with massive income disparity and privatization af all it's national parks and resources. I feel sorry for those folks

Yeah we really shouldn't have given in to all their demands after beating their asses in that war.