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Dear Americans, go fuck yourselves.
Even if you didn’t vote for this imbecile child, nobody cares. You’re all in this shit together!
We are sick and tired of your excuses.
This is your president and this is your country behaving like this.
As a Native American whose citizenship is being argued against in the Supreme Court, whose people have been fighting against the invasion of white people from Europe for centuries and only got the right to vote in 1975: go fuck yourself.
You should go back to your home country or something like that. /s
As an American who didn’t vote for him, I understand your anger. I feel it too but there are still genuinely good caring people here who do not agree with this monster. Please don’t hold it against all of us.
In any war there are soldiers who don't wanna be there. Good, honest people, forced to march on because their masters will it.
If they come for my country I will have to shoot them nonetheless.
Take this motherfucker down by any political means necessary and if you can't, then form your "well regulated militia" that your all too precious 2nd amendment affords you and take back your own country instead of others
As an American, l say that any soldiers that willingly take part in this invasion, even in a support role, are NOT "good honest people". They are traitors following illegal orders. I fully support you defending your country with lethal force if it comes to that.
I wish that I had more power to stop this, but I don't. Do what you have to do, and don't feel guilty about it. Give us the hell we deserve.
I'm Danish and I refuse to make this about nationality. I've had an immeasurable amount of American friends over the years. I've loved your music, your company, your viewpoints, your stories - and I've had nothing but respect for you. I've been on American social media with you for decades. I've laughed at the same jokes as you. I speak your language, I sing your songs, I share an incredible amount of your culture. We learned to celebrate Halloween from you. We wear your clothes. We are your friends.
This is where you'd expect to see a "but", but there is no "but". I just wanted to say this, because I refuse to be divided by national borders. The America I see now, is not the America I grew up with. And now I'm fucking crying. It feels like losing a good friend, to some sort of neurological illness. We will always share your values. Not MAGA values, but OUR values.
Thank you. Borders are stupid, we are all humans and we only have one floating rock. Also, I love the Danes I've met.
Thanks.
And reading the stories of ICE is absolutely terrifying to us too. We are reaching a point where democrats may be forced to consider their 2nd amendment rights.
Democrats would have to effectively organize and train in a large enough group to not just be instantly wiped out or imprisoned as “insurrectionists”. Technically it would be an insurrection, but with some outside help or military backing it could turn into a coup.
Does the rest of the world want a destabilized civil warring nuclear state? It’s not likely to stay contained even in the western hemisphere.
History rhyming again I guess.
Take that feeling like losing a good friend, and now imagine it's your own mind you're losing. Everything you held close and understood is upside down. It's disorienting, because they (fascist regime) intended it to be disorienting to paralyze any organized effective response.
Your friends are still here, but they're not in charge. Violent, armed bullies have taken over and are driving this country - with the rest of us in it - off a cliff. They aren't just invading Greenland, they're invading us. Our homes, our schools, our workplaces, our courts, all invaded. The authorities we armed and entrusted to uphold the law have seen their opportunity to go mask-off and support fascism. Your friends here are outclassed, outgunned, and oppressed.
Remember that America isn't a monolith. If you were to put a bullet in the head of every US soldier to set foot on Greenland, we will celebrate your victory. Because we care about humanity, and our armed forces have given theirs up to fulfill a hateful dream. They've made their decision and deserve whatever's coming to them.
I miss the America I grew up in. 80s were amazing. Like 1996-2010 felt so hopeful, bush years were bad an helped enable alot of what is happening now but I'd gladly take him over what we have now
Fuck, now I'm crying too. I've lost friends and family to this mental illness. There is much to mourn. The values that you and I share are not the values of the Americans who wield national power right now, nor their cult. Many of us are fighting for our values over here. And your unconditional message of friendship means so much. Thank you. I feel the same way. Fuck the imaginary lines on the map. I pledge allegiance to YOU, and to any other individual, wherever they are, who believes in basic human decency: honesty, respect, compassion, non-aggression... against the psychopaths who don't.
Agreed. It definitely feels like we're losing a good friend. Signed Norwegian dude
Your government is threatening to invade its allies! Our countrymen died fighting side by side with your military in your misguided wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
We don’t have the patience and time to distinguish between good and evil Americans anymore. As long as your country keeps acting like this you’re all guilty!
Please read up about collective German guilt a term coined by the US when your country was still on the right side of history.
Americans spout all about needing their guns to stop a tyrannical government and then a tyrannical governmnet comes along and they don't take their guns into the streets to stop it.
The venn diagram of Americans who think they need guns to stop a tyrannical government and Americans who support Trump is a circle.
(All kidding aside, while this is still painfully close to true, there are signs it's changing, such as the recent resurgence of the Black Panthers. However by and large the people who are horrified over the pain and suffering inflicted by the Trump administration are also anti-gun on account of all the pain and suffering they cause. The peaceful, anti-violence, anti-war types are not exactly well equipped--literally or figuratively--to stage an uprising against the government, certainly not one with a military budget the size of Mt Everest)
Because the people afraid of a tyrannical government started supporting the tyrannical. Not to say I hate or am against guns but to think a yokel was going to make a difference in a country this big is absurd. The police are a military force themselves.
I often wonder if the Oklahoma City bombing would happen today by Tim Mcveigh. I mean this is literally the government they feared it's just that they are targeting the people they hate so they don't care. If it was the other way around it def would. And Oklahoma has embraced his ideas hell they might have shut down the FBI office in the last few years.
What am I or we supposed to do? The majority of us are broke. I don't have money to travel to a blue state right now to help resist.
I have a family I very much love and a daughter I want to watch grow up. I know others are losing their ability to be with their families but I'm not putting that at risk unless I absolutely have to and if it was going to make a difference
The sane Americans here are saying, "Hey, we're your allies in this, we are trying to help," and you're literally saying, "No, you're the enemy." This is basically moral reasoning on the level of "my daughter crashed the car so I'm going to hit my son with a baseball bat." It's too much work on your part to distinguish between innocent and guilty? That's some very firm moral high ground you're lobbing spears from.
Not only is that nonsensical from a moral standpoint, but it's terrible strategic thinking. You just prefer it if we're all to be enemies? You're asking both you (who is allegedly so infuriated because you are demanding a solution) and us (the people best positioned to try to help solve this) to waste our time fighting amongst each other. Great idea.
But to be clear, I understand when you spew hatred like this, you're not thinking. You're lashing out emotionally because you're upset. Now the question is, will you acknowledge this, or will you respond by increasing the volume and digging in deeper?
Every time I see this argument I'm reminded of Martin Luther King's Letter from a Birmingham Jail. If "trying to help" is limited to thoughts and prayers online, it isn't help, it's just masturbation.
I understand it may remind you of that, but it's not an apt comparison.
I've been advocating direct non-violent action here like MLK was doing (and, reminder, I assume non-violent protest won't satisfy the angry non-Americans here who are telling us to "arm up"). I don't think anyone is advocating for "wait[ing] for a more convenient season" - we know fascism is here, but the question is what is the move that (a) doesn't cause it to dig in deeper like a tick, and (b) maximizes the good that we pay for with the risk to ourselves and others.
And yes, we're all talking online, that's what Lemmy is. I have called what I am doing "therapy" which I would suggest it in fact is, rather than "masturbation." Living in the US and not being MAGA right now feels like being a battered family member, but usually participating here at least reminds me of sanity. (Though maybe not when we're being told we're awful because our abuser made a mess while they were abusing us.) I come here to vent and commiserate - that's not mutually exclusive from taking action.
I wake up and go to sleep (very poorly) fighting learned helplessness and awful emotions because I see the same headlines we all do here, and whatever the world feels seeing it, it's happening here to us first.
I'm not asking to be a victim, not that anyone is offering any empathy to non-Trump Americans in this thread. I'm just saying, hey, maybe those of us in the US who are doing what we rationally can to stop Trump don't need another abuser? I guess that's my message for comrade_twisty and others gleefully (but definitely not masturbatorily!) piling on the "all Americans can fuck themselves" bandwagon.
And now you understand what we Germans feel when Americans ask what our ancestors did during the 1930s and 40s.
Than maybe its time to take some good and caring actions? It's not enought to see it and be bothered by it.
Just wanted to say - no idea what's going on in the comments, don't take it too hard. People are angry. Just as I would not condemn every Russian because Putin is a giant asshole, I wouldn't condemn every US american. Especially not those in the fediverse - it's likely you suffer as well under your dictator.
It's hard to make that distinction. Even in Germany under the jackboot of National Socialism there were still good people, some even dared to take action while others dragged their feet as much as possible without endangering themselves and their loved ones. This is where the difference between guilt and responsibility arises. In my opinion not all US Americans are guilty, just like not all Germans were, yet all US Americans share a responsibility to rid themselves of their political polarisation and the hatred at its root, just like the good people of Germany managed to do in the decades after the war.
Dude, calm down. I know all of this is anxiety inducing. Americans are dealing with a lot of shit in their own country too. Our energy is better spent on encouraging Americans to keep protesting and resisting.
And all the other fascist countries that don't fix their shit either and have been dealing with the fascism longer? Were new to this, give us a min to figure it out.
Many of us Americans are working on it. Meanwhile, it took the EU 14 years to begin to punish Hungary for Orban. The Serbs have been protesting for more than a year and still have yet to lead to lasting change. I could go on.
I know this is going to sound like a lazy American trying to do whataboutism, but I’m really just trying to say political change takes time and part of the danger of all of these leaders is how unresponsive they are and difficult they make it to change—especially the more powerful the state aparatus for violence they wield is.
Additionally, the US has regularly scheduled elections which makes just marginally harder to change governments unlike a ministerial system where snap elections can be called.
We can easily whataboutism to point to all the country leaders who are playing the game with Trump, saying they don't agree but then when called on it don't do much of anything to stop him. Compare this to Hitler and his first moves, the same things happened. Other leaders tsked and wagged fingers, the ones that didn't just shrug it off as a temporary thing. It's absolutely an American problem that should be dealt with here first and foremost, and that's more complicated than a forum finger pointing can cover, but there's blame to go around in different quantities. The whole economic tariff crap as an example - the world needs to stop playing with him and trying to come out profiting by cooperating. Shut it down, stop trading with the US, period. You don't put out a fire by gently waving at it, you cut off its fuel.
Well said about tariffs. Von der Leyen should just use her “trade bazooka.” letting him set the rules of the game is exactly how he used the media to gain power in the first place: by breaking “norms” they went all Surprised Pikachu and couldn’t stop covering him and look where that got us.
I'm struggling right now to think of any group of people with less excuse for ignorance of how radical fascists wield propaganda and extort for political power than central Europeans.
EDIT: I don't mean that to be super harsh, and I hope it's core to the educational curriculum (as it should be in the US too). But maybe I'm wrong.
When you visit your nearest holocaust museum or memorial and refresh your understanding of all that suffering and anguish, how do you feel? Who do you blame? What do you think could stop it from escalating again? Genuinely interested in answers.