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Californian here.
There's really no possible way I'll ever have any sort of faith in my country again. I won't go out of my way to help it. I'll always default to assuming it's a bad actor and that I need to protect myself from it. From here on out I'm a Californian, not an American.
Orange dipshit will die. Sooner than later. But the country will still be full of irredeemably stupid assholes. I don't feel any allegiance to that. It only serves to make me feel nauseous.
This is why we will never trust you guys again up here in Canada. Even if Trump and his crew all died tomorrow and somehow the friendliest, nicest person became the president, it wont matter. The relationship is done for.
I realize to most Americans that doesnt mean much but its also how the rest of the world sees you. You guys are toxic. Maybe not as individuals. But as a nation.
Exactly. I think the EU should strengthen its ties to other European countries and Canada, and reduce or eliminate its dependency on the US or US companies. And look for more alliances elsewhere: South America, and democracies in Africa and Asia. I would rather deal with China than the US at this point (though Russia is still worse).
Welcome to the sensible German's approach to "patriotism". Definitely after WW2, but absolutely relevant again. Our governments have been full of shit ever since, with surprisingly the only non-selfish head of state having been the conservative Mrs. Merkel, whom no one expected it of. She still did spearheaded a government with fucked up social politics, but at least not for personal gain (only for that of her buddies in industry) - which is arguably a low bar to clear. Anyways, the bottomline is: I'm a human first, European second, a lot of things then, and a German only by some piece of paper.
Yeah America is getting cooked for the next couple decades at least. Even if Trump literally dies tomorrow and his successor backs out no one is trusting them for a long time.
People keep saying that, but is that really true? Because I just don't see society having any sort of memory.
For fuck sake, the guy is a rapist, pedophile, liar of the highest order. No one cares. Sure, some people are moving away from US services/products, but 1. Not that many people are doing it and 2. Once a non pedophile, war-monger gets back in the presidency, some little bit of marketing and everyone will go back to buying US.
I just don't think anyone gives a shit. There is like 1 principled person for every 100000 people.
People keep saying that, but is that really true? Because I just don’t see society having any sort of memory.
American society
For fuck sake, the guy is a rapist, pedophile, liar of the highest order. No one cares. Sure, some people are moving away from US services/products, but 1.
Americans didn't seem to care, the rest of the world was screaming top of our collective lungs
Not that many people are doing it and 2. Once a non pedophile, war-monger gets back in the presidency, some little bit of marketing and everyone will go back to buying US.
Business people are soulless ghouls so that could happen... but the regular people can hold a grudge. Look at how Canada's population has rejected anything USA even when the Gov was all appeasement and boot licking until this speech... also remember how much Americans seem to hate Russia and Communism even though most can barely point to one in the map or understand the definition of the other in the dictionary
I just don’t think anyone gives a shit. There is like 1 principled person for every 100000 people.
Again, you are judging the world on the template of Muricans
You conflate internal and international politics.
That's fine. If that's what it takes to help the Americans get their predatory elites onto a tighter leash, that'll be worth it.
Those Epstein files must be absolutely fucking insane for Donny.
We got <1% of the files, heavily redacted and it was still fucking wild. I cannot imagine how batshit fucking crazy the actual files are
Dear Americans, go fuck yourselves.
Even if you didn’t vote for this imbecile child, nobody cares. You’re all in this shit together!
We are sick and tired of your excuses.
This is your president and this is your country behaving like this.
As a Native American whose citizenship is being argued against in the Supreme Court, whose people have been fighting against the invasion of white people from Europe for centuries and only got the right to vote in 1975: go fuck yourself.
Native American who’s citizenship is being argued against in the Supreme Court
You should go back to your home country or something like that. /s
As an American who didn’t vote for him, I understand your anger. I feel it too but there are still genuinely good caring people here who do not agree with this monster. Please don’t hold it against all of us.
In any war there are soldiers who don't wanna be there. Good, honest people, forced to march on because their masters will it.
If they come for my country I will have to shoot them nonetheless.
Take this motherfucker down by any political means necessary and if you can't, then form your "well regulated militia" that your all too precious 2nd amendment affords you and take back your own country instead of others
As an American, l say that any soldiers that willingly take part in this invasion, even in a support role, are NOT "good honest people". They are traitors following illegal orders. I fully support you defending your country with lethal force if it comes to that.
I wish that I had more power to stop this, but I don't. Do what you have to do, and don't feel guilty about it. Give us the hell we deserve.
I'm Danish and I refuse to make this about nationality. I've had an immeasurable amount of American friends over the years. I've loved your music, your company, your viewpoints, your stories - and I've had nothing but respect for you. I've been on American social media with you for decades. I've laughed at the same jokes as you. I speak your language, I sing your songs, I share an incredible amount of your culture. We learned to celebrate Halloween from you. We wear your clothes. We are your friends.
This is where you'd expect to see a "but", but there is no "but". I just wanted to say this, because I refuse to be divided by national borders. The America I see now, is not the America I grew up with. And now I'm fucking crying. It feels like losing a good friend, to some sort of neurological illness. We will always share your values. Not MAGA values, but OUR values.
Thank you. Borders are stupid, we are all humans and we only have one floating rock. Also, I love the Danes I've met.
Your government is threatening to invade its allies! Our countrymen died fighting side by side with your military in your misguided wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
We don’t have the patience and time to distinguish between good and evil Americans anymore. As long as your country keeps acting like this you’re all guilty!
Please read up about collective German guilt a term coined by the US when your country was still on the right side of history.
Americans spout all about needing their guns to stop a tyrannical government and then a tyrannical governmnet comes along and they don't take their guns into the streets to stop it.
The venn diagram of Americans who think they need guns to stop a tyrannical government and Americans who support Trump is a circle.
(All kidding aside, while this is still painfully close to true, there are signs it's changing, such as the recent resurgence of the Black Panthers. However by and large the people who are horrified over the pain and suffering inflicted by the Trump administration are also anti-gun on account of all the pain and suffering they cause. The peaceful, anti-violence, anti-war types are not exactly well equipped--literally or figuratively--to stage an uprising against the government, certainly not one with a military budget the size of Mt Everest)
Dude, calm down. I know all of this is anxiety inducing. Americans are dealing with a lot of shit in their own country too. Our energy is better spent on encouraging Americans to keep protesting and resisting.
I’m so incredibly tired boss- tired of arguing with dumb magat nazi fucks on the internet, tired of seeing my country destroyed from the inside out day by day, tired of seeing the orange jizz biscuit spewing rhetoric from the podium out of his face anus like a sharting sprinkler- I’m doing my diligence and vetting activists groups to join so I can get off the internet take it to the streets. no nazi should feel comfortable, period
Foreigner here. I know you civilians don't control the government anymore & many of us see your hands are tied, but if Americans really want to stop wars, then stop enlisting in any branch of your military except the coast guard. Every other branch is primarily used for invasion. If you've already enrolled/are trapped by the military, try to become a conscientious objector.
And FFS, arm yourselves (civilians) to the teeth. The tyrannical government your Founding Fathers envisioned has arrived.
The problem with this is that the military is the only path out of poverty that provides socialized healthcare and paid educational benefits for large portions of our population. I think people outside of the USA don’t understand how the lack of worker protections, healthcare, debt based education and exploding homelessness crisis keeps Americans in bondage
The really striking thing about the contingent of non-Americans in this thread who are blaming all Americans, even specifically those who oppose Trump, is that I can't imagine a psyop doing a better job of fracturing the American left and isolating the US.
I think Lemmy is still small enough that the people who are vomiting on the anti-Trump Americans and insisting on collective blame are probably real people, who don't know how to direct their anger (which is quite depressing). But to explain, I actually can't think of what Russia would do differently to accomplish (1) transposing anger against Trump into anger against all Americans, which helps (2) sever international support to internal American anti-Trump protesters, and thereby (3) weaken internal American resistance to Trump by making those of us here who opposed Trump feel and be even more isolated.
Solidarity across borders seems like a better approach. Seems like you would feed the tree you want to grow, and starve the invasive weed you don't, instead of just relieving oneself on both. But what do I know, I'm just a stupid American.
From a non-American's viewpoint, most Americans seem very content to only vent online about how they didn't vote for this but they don't seem to be holding their congress and senate representatives to task to get Trump out of office, now. There is a possibility of a general strike on Friday - it should be throughout the USA. In every city. Let your reps know that you are not just attending the odd protest but that citizen demand change immediately. They can impeach or Amendment 25 him out right now. No waiting for the slight possibility that there might still be an election in November. Trump isn't obeying any other laws or the constitution so he can't be expected to hold and then abide by an election many more months away. Americans do not seem, from the world's view, to be treating Trump with the urgency that is needed.
Some of these comments are awful. Apparently, if we all aren't wrapping ourselves and children with explosives and becoming Jihadists overnight, we're not doing enough.
This is a class war. The rich have taken over all the checks and balances in our system to where they can break every rule and comfortably get away with it; all the while getting richer and us poorer. We're powerless and spread too thin geographically to do anything meaningful. Maybe we do need to get that radical, but I really hope it doesn't ever need to get to that point.
Here are concrete steps we can take to combat this (the titles below expand if you click them).
Learn First Aid! ⛑️
The future us likely to be violent, and It extremely important to have the skills to be able to keep yourself and others alive if they get hurt. You can never have too many medics.
Tacticool Girlfriend provides a great introduction to building a personal first aid kit, called an IFAK, which can deal with things like bullet wounds and other serious bleeding wounds. I also want to emphasize her recommendation of only buying medical gear from reputable sources (not Amazon!), such as North American Rescue to avoid fakes that could cost you your life.
But you'll need to learn how to use that equipment, too. The best resource for that is to take a local Stop The Bleed class, which are pretty widely available in most places. They may cost a small fee, but can also sometimes be free. Alternatively, if you cannot access a local class, this video by PrepMedic will give you a solid understanding of how to use Tourniquets and Gauze for wound packing.
Injuries are less harmful if they are tended to early. Learning first aid can help conserve resources when healthcare becomes unaffordable. Having several medics in case of harm by police is an extremely powerful morale booster during a protest that may become a police riot. When you become comfortable with the basics of first aid, riot medicine is the next suggested step.
Establish or join local Mutual Aid networks ✊
If you haven't already, get to know your neighbors. Mutual aid is a willingness to support and grow your community. This can include informal networks through friends, tenant/renter organizations, solidarity groups, and industrial unions.
These are groups using direct action to solve each other's problems. Building strong communities makes it difficult for fascism to take root. The actions of the government are going to hit every community hard, and the ones who build trust in each other and work together are most likely to survive. We've been building a list of resources in !inperson@slrpnk.net to help you on your way. Also check out this handy guide to find existing groups in your area.
This isn't only for your own community protection. Your ability to organize today will change the political landscape tomorrow. When revolution occurs, the social organizations that show the greatest resilience through the regime are the ones typically calling the shots when the dust settles. When it comes to elections, get out the vote drives are useless if most of the voters are fascists. At some point, you have to do grassroots political education if you don't want fascist candidates winning elections. Mutual aid networks are excellent forums not only for teaching each other good political ideas, but demonstrating them in practice.
Join a Union and Prepare for a General Strike! 💪
The most effective non-violent action we can take is preparing and organizing for a General Strike.
The country would be brought to its knees if suddenly deprived of profit and labor. That tactic was extremely effective in Chile in 2019, and had they not fallen for the trick of liberal reform, they would've had a successful revolution on their hands with virtually no bloodshed.
If you aren't in a union (or even if you are, it's worth dual-carding), consider joining the IWW to unionize your workplace (bonus: you'll get higher wages, better benefits, and more time off if you succeed!) to strengthen a general strike if we manage to enact one, as most unions have a strike fund that can supplement your income during a general strike to make it more financially bearable (you should also save as much money as you can reasonably do, so it can also be used to keep yourself afloat during a strike).
And for our international friends, you should join one as well, as fascism is gaining momentum globally. If your country isn't listed below, just contact the IWW directly in the link above, and they'll help you set up a new local branch.
Adopt Security Culture and Digital Camouflage 🛡️
Sometimes benign seeming efforts can turn into unexpected personal data collecting traps. Like an obscure website for exchanging contact info with other students turning into a global ad-tech surveillance network (Facebook), or innocent seeming online personality tests being use to harvest character profiles. Even Etsy, Reddit, Tinder, and Duolingo are feeding information to US Government Agencies like ICE.
Security culture is commonly used to describe the general awareness of such potential traps and how it can affect groups or entire communities. This goes beyond mere individual privacy efforts, as without joint efforts these often fail to work.
Especially in activist circles, security culture is paramount. For opsec reasons not everyone in the group might be aware of what clandestine efforts others are involved in, but with a general security culture many potential data leaks can be avoided.
Movements are made by the volume of their participants, and the easier and less dangerous it is to participate, the more people will get involved. As more people get involved, individual involvement becomes even less dangerous, creating a virtuous cycle.
We'll start it off with some General Advice:
For a full guide on what encrypted communications platforms to use, and how to stay off the radar, read the Digital Camouflage section within the Monthly Meta post here (you'll need to scroll down. I'd add it here, but it won't fit in this comment).
Unfortunately I'm thinking this means they have some kind of info that a credible attack is imminent. Fuck.
Easy - I'm danish and the PM from both Denmark and Greenland just said, that they can't rule out an armed attack, but only because the US doesn't rule it out. Very different from telling people to prepare for an invasion.
Can Trump just... not? When is the grim reaper coming for him? PLEASE I hope every night he dies the next day (legally and naturally).
This doesn't stop with Trump. They voted for Trump and they voted for the congress that protects him. They will just pick another person that does the same thing, but probably sounds less stupid while doing it. This is an America problem.
I seriously cannot picture this happening. More of Trump's dementia addled Twitter rambling. Even the puppets pulling his strings wouldn't want this.
I mean, crazier shit has happened, but I see the US going full Handmaid's Tale long before I see them invading a self-governed nation full of almost exclusively white people.
My money would be on Russia making that play before the US.
How exactly does one prepare for invasion?
Arm the polar bears.
There are a lot of ways to prepare for an invasion. They range from the personal (stock up on food, find a safe place) to the societal (arm yourselves, prepare defenses, organize militia or resistance cells).
Nobody is denying the US would flatten Greenland but they can make governing the people impossible. Thats the point of resistance.
Whatever you do, do NOT accept a payment to leave. This is YOUR land, YOUR country, YOUR inheritance in this world
Plus, you know, you're dealing with a professional scammer. I guarantee you that you will never see a dime if you accept and leave
