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I instead see it as a different continuity, much like how every Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy is a different continuity.
I was speaking more of the tone of the show being what I wanted. It's dark but also humourous. I enjoy their interpretation of the BoS, for example.
That's cool you see it that way, I wish I could too. But, the creators are insistent the show is canon. All they had to do was make it non-canon or alternate canon, similiar to Hitch Hiker's Guide.
Yeah, the show's tone can be pretty spot on. But again, I can't enjoy the writing. They turned the BoS into an Enclave stand-in instead of writing something fresh. I also don't think we see the BoS scavenging tech like, one time. Which is pretty much their mission statement.
Would have been alright if they didn't insist it was canon. Would have been alright as another IP. I'm very tired of this trend of writers doing whatever they want because they'd like to "make something their own" rather than do the work to fit your part of the puzzle in with the rest. I guess that assumes intent, but I find it hard to believe that the writing results from seriously studying the region.
The Legion in Season 2, for example, are having a civil war, but the enemy camps are touching each other. They're having a civil war because Caesar died and his corpse is literally holding a piece of paper that says, "My Heir is..." and it's covered up. Instead of fighting to the death to follow the will of Caesar, they're locked in a stalemate and Macaulay Culkin's complaining about getting shot at.
Remember that Legion soldiers usually had to kill members of their own tribes to join The Legion.
Or how Ghouls have always been a commentary on xenophobia. Nobody knows why they go feral, they assume all Ghouls go feral. They attempt to continue the commentary in this show, except they change the lore so that Ghouls actually always go feral unless they take drugs.
That kinda weakens the commentary in my mind. It used to be, "humans treat them like shit because they assume they'll become feral. Now it's just, "Well, I guess the racists were right. Don't treat Ghouls bad though."
The tone is dark, yet humorous, but the attempts at humor are usually someone doing something weird and wacky instead of something darkly funny. Props to that scene where Lucy bites off The Ghoul's finger, and he cuts hers off, though. I kinda wish they had the gumption to keep her without a finger, showing the wasteland's mark on her. That's just my opinion, though.
It just doesn't seem like a good representation of the franchise if we have to pretend it's disconnected from the main timeline to enjoy it. We could give the same excuse to Fallout 3, but just as Fallout 3 checked off boxes, so does the show. The Brotherhood in California and Nevada were essentially wiped out by the NCR in the timeline up until the show, but Bethesda needs the BoS so they nuked the NCR and had BoS come in from Boston. That's how they approach writing lore now. "What can I do to fit this story into a place it doesn't fit well?" Rather than looking at the huge swaths of America previously unexplored by the series and come up with something that fits the region, they change the region to fit whatever story or references they wanted initially.