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I was under the impression the goal of the movement was to abolish civilization. Is it something else?
And the goal of communism is the abolition of class, money, capitalism, etc. Nobody's done this so far, so all communists are failures?
Not to mention that I don't think "abolishing civilization" is a real thing anyone actually thinks is possible. Any two humans is civilization, we're gonna use tools and provide for one another and build stuff and all that. The goal is to deindustrialize, to what extent is a matter for debate.
Zerzan calls agriculture "the indispensable basis of civilization" and says "Liberation is impossible without [agriculture's] dissolution." I would call advocating the abolish Thing A, which you acknowledge as necessary for the existence of Thing B, a call to abolish Thing B.
Interesting. What is the range here? How far can you get from "abolish all agriculture" before the label ceases to apply?
How far can you get from "everyone shares the communal toothbrush" before the communist label ceases to apply? Again, I would draw a firm distinction between the internet meme ideology no one actually believes in and the actual ideology people actually talk about.
https://revolutionaryleftradio.libsyn.com/anarcho-primitivism-civilization-symbolic-culture-and-revolutionary-rewilding