Chapotraphouse

they don't, it's a meme ideology and like many forms of libertarianism it doesn't withstand other people forming groups to do stuff.

Just a day or two ago I was daydreaming about the meme where someone gets lice so they shave their head so they get stoned to death for inventing medicine. Then the people who stoned the victim to death get sentenced to death for inventing weaponry.

Wasn't Kazinsky an Anprim? Because I remember trying to read his god awful manifesto and couldn't get through the first chapter.

All I could think was "You have a goddamn PhD in Mathematics, how are your terms so poorly defined and your predicates this bad? This what you went off grid to write?!"

sharp stick

The anprim vision of society is primitive communism, small social units, and deindustrialization. The enforcement mechanism is consensus. Probably some particularly dedicated super-Ludds would be given to roaming around smashing water wheels or whatever, but they'd also die of cholera pretty fast. Most of the modern anprim writing I've seen is pretty firmly in the post-/anti-civ zone rather than re-enacting an imagined pre-civilization lifeway.

It's kind of like asking Christians how the kingdom of Heaven is supposed to be maintained. Making society follow the ideology isn't really the point, the point of being an anarcho-primitivist is to be able to say what the problem is and have something to point at to blame for whatever other problems.

They don't, they just make cool edits

Edit: oops I thought you wrote ancap but like 50% of this still applies. Just replace "markets" and "competition" with "we'd figure it out through affinity groups and some sacrifices are just worth it", the latter inevitably beginning genocidal/eugenicist in its implications.

Every "ideology" in that vein is based on short-term idealism. They have absolutely no idea what they'd actually do with power, and it would immediately collapse into liberalism (or similar) because the economic base would remain identical. They think they can change the base purely through minor superstructural adjustments.

Any attempt to realize their vision would result in gangs and black markets that eventually collude to hash things out legally rather than in the streets, keeping out small players through financial largesse, as liberalism is much cheaper than gang warfare. Any time you mention this, they will resort to a pure idealism premised on nearly everyone instantly becoming a deeply committed rule follower (the rules are the morals they teach each other) and market knower. Monopolies? Oh the "free market" automatically solves them, like magic. "Competition" automatically always happens even though monopolies are the inevitable antithesis of this and work directly against it using the mechanisms inherent to capitalism. The issue of natural monopolies is basically just ignored, they can't even think about the nonsense that would be implied from having, say, 10 different street network companies somehow competing with each other. They just retreat to "they'd figure it out. Markets. Competition. Marginal value. Abolish age of consent".

All the people who know how to do things will die, leaving only the most anprim of all.

They don't, its not a real ideology and self proclaimed anprims are generally speaking trolls or meme accounts engaging in post ironic humor or whatever

You know, I don't think I've ever actually met one in person or online...

They don't lol

I just assumed "no plan" was the point.

an prim is just intellectual masturbation

I could see all of the old technology being treated like the "dark history" in Turn A Gundam, but yeah, probably won't go well.

There's a catch, if they're true anprims you shouldn't be able to talk to them online, Uncle Ted would be very upset if he knew they were touching keyboards

If you mean the people that dream of a world without writing or smelting or farming, then these are a very small minority, and their positions lean heavily on their ethics and not so heavily on viability. It's the same thing with the nihilists: in the absence of any plausible path to triumph, they quickly reorient around being as anarchic as possible just in their own lives, and don't have any horizon beyond that.

To be fair, it wouldn't be a stretch to say that a lot of our modern technology supply chains are headed towards consuming themselves out of existence. Within the coming century the ROI on mining oil, copper, lanthanides, and even construction-grade sand is going to drop precipitously below the point where we could feasibly integrate them into everything. It wouldn't firmly make our electric technologies impossible, but it would rarify them and prevent them from being maintained in a global economy. If humanity doesn't play its cards right, we'll end up largely stuck in the equivalent of pre-Industrial Revolution for a very long time.

But if you mean people who emphasize appropriate technologies with minimal supply chains that drasticly limit alienation and allow for pan-human projects to be transmitted and perpetuated... hi, I'm an alt-civ autonomous communist (close overlap with anarchism but I don't reject all hierarchy or power structures), and I consider it as close as you can get to primitivism while still being honest and serious about the progression of humanity. My stance is "it is possible to eradicate poverty and have a decent life with just glass-pane level of technology, but it would be nice to preserve computing if we can". I lived on an off-grid commune for 2 months, where we achieved a kind of communal luxury with 1/5 of the water and less than 1/10 of the electricity that a typical Western lifestyle entails; about 30 people got all their electricity from a couple square meters of solar panels and our day-to-day material needs could feasibly be met and supported within hiking distance; my retirement plan is something similar. I suppose my outlook would be a lot more interesting to you than purist "an-prim".

Potable water is a softball, all you need is pottery, and you can make a slow sand filter that catches anything down to 1 micrometer, maybe even a bit smaller. With a pulverized charcoal layer, a minimally-maintained algae layer on top, a sedimentation basin, and at least one drip transfer, you can catch most pollutants, most pathogens, and even most heavy metals. But as long as you don't shit near where you eat, a lot of the big threats simply aren't present.

Antibiotics is in some ways less daunting than it sounds. The biggest reason why we need them in the first place is due to widespread dense animal agriculture* and cities that don't allow for good sanitation. Many of our permanently useful medications came from indigenous plant knowledge, e.g. quinine. Since penicillin has been invented, it's a lot easier to envision maintaining it as long as we keep the knowledge, versus discovering/rediscovering it in the first place.

This orientation consists not of being afraid of the boogeyman in the dark of being invaded and overrun, but understanding the source of any potential state threats and maintaining a way to make it practically or strategically or economically unsuitable for them to extend their control over whichever territory in question.

*A lot of things boil back down to this recurring situation where the trajectory of our civilization has created difficult problems that we instinctively turn to the same civilization to solve. At any rate, the question of how to abolish carnism is a far more challenging one than the question of how to prevent/interrupt the supply chains that tyrannical states need to operate.