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Experts are warning that the Trump administration's ongoing crackdown in Minnesota could quickly get out of hand and could even result in a second US civil war.

Claire Finkelstein, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania Carey Law School, wrote in a Wednesday column published by the Guardian that she and her colleagues at the Center for Ethics and the Rule of Law (CERL) conducted a tabletop exercise in October 2024 that simulated potential outcomes if a US president were to carry out law enforcement operations similar to the ones being conducted by the Trump administration with US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers in Minnesota.

"In that exercise, a president carried out a highly unpopular law-enforcement operation in Philadelphia and attempted to federalize the Pennsylvania’s National Guard," Finkelstein explained. "When the governor resisted and the guard remained loyal to the state, the president deployed active-duty troops, resulting in an armed conflict between state and federal forces."

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[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

we missed the opportunity for polite discussion i’m afraid.

Yeah, that you probably did. So the next logical step is shoot each other, right? Damn, if only I wrote a comment describing this exact thing a while ago, I could just reference it.

[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Cuz we ending WW2 by talking to Hitler and asking him to stop. Braindead take to think fascists give up power willingly.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

We didn't end it by virtue of some random people running around with their guns. It took coordinated effort of many of organisations and governments. Do you understand what I'm saying and why?

[–] optissima@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And those efforts required guns/shooting each other, undermining your original point

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It did at the time, because in fascist countries the only ones who were truly organised and had a plan were fascists, so they overpowered the resistance that couldn't get their shit together for long enough to combat this new and unprecedented narrative.
Now in new fascist countries, the narrative needs to be combated is old and very precedented, but people that could form resistance groups don't do that, instead they're doing the opposite of what needs to be done: sitting around alone in their homes, clutching their handguns, and shitposting on the internet, hoping that when icetapo comes to them, they will heroically shoot them all and save the day.

[–] optissima@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh those people existed then too. There are those of us that are building solidarity in our communities as well, and our numbers are swelling

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not enough, not quickly enough, and often not in the ways that matters

[–] optissima@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Unless you can offer examples of "not in the ways that matter" and alternatives, I'm going to assume you don't know what you're talking about.

[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Ok, your saying it takes a large, coordinated effort. Not a bunch of people running around with guns. Was not clear to me, sorry.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

i've been reflecting on this for a couple hours trying to gather my thoughts and find where it is i'm failing. so let's go through what we've been through to get here

  • we tried politely asking not to be killed
  • we tried offering racists and rapists benefits to a co-equal society in exchange for not being killed
  • we tried organizing our labor to gain the strength necessary to not be killed
  • we tried performing mass demonstrations everywhere we could that we have the numbers, we have the culture, not killing us is what makes life worth living
  • we even tried industrial sabotage

in all of this, we have continued to get killed. now the only pretext our killers need is that they want to kill us. and so we're falling into a civil war because we've exhausted everything else.

and still, across lemmy i get told to either fight my police directly, or someone like you tells me that fighting the police is not the only option.

the only conclusion i can reach is a lot of people who don't know what we're going through feel real confident they know better than me what's going on