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Oh, I wasn't commenting on that. Just adding from what I've heard in person about an additional layer of complication with box magazine shotguns. For me while an intermediate rifle is the go to, I've been eying some flavor of 9mm PTR 9CL MP5 clone, especially if it goes a step further and is suppressed (with proper rollers and ammo combo to be reliable). Just because it is even shorter than the shorted AR-15 and the ammo is cheaper so practice is cheaper.
Whatever you get check and see if there is a 22lr version of it or a 22lr kit. Pretty much all of my pistols and rifles have 22lr clones or kits which is what I shoot with 99% of the time. Since it's way way cheaper.
I've got the 5.56 to .22lr setups, I'm not somebody hopping in looking for a first gun. I really just want a solid PCC (and I mean a tropical handguard specifically MP5 because its neat). I'm not particularly interested in a .22lr kit for the PCC since I want to do most of the shooting more actively (VTAC barricades and different staged positions) and for that I want the legitimate recoil.
Well at least 9mm has dropped in price lol. Though our days of getting 100pack for $10 from Walmart are gone...yes I found a 100 pack that had hidden itself away in one of my ammo cans with a 9.99 Walmart sticker on it.
You like the mp5 platform just for nostalgia or ??? Only reason I ask is cause there are a lot of newer platforms out there that are...newer...better?
Nostalgia reasons, past hands on with MPs which lets me know I like the ergonomics and am comfortable with the reload, and because it is mechanically interesting as a roller gun. I like a variety of operating mechanisms to round out a collection.
I can put a CCO, light, and maybe suppressor (with new rollers) on it and 9mm will fly out the front. I'm well aware of all the other PCCs on the market. Really what they offer is less hassle in the initial setup of accessories and slightly faster reloads on empty. I don't really factor either of those into owning for practice or even as self defense. Most everything else is squeezing some infinitesimal perceived advantage in some factor or purporting ergonomic improvements
You're talking to a guy who bought a m1a and then a sage ebr mod0 setup just because it's my favorite platform ever....even though I already have a DMR (Dpms AR10 SASS setup) which will outshoot the m1a any day of the week with my eyes closed....but the m1a is sooo much more fun to shoot, and I took the scope off it just to enjoy the irons. I don't care that it was double the cost of my AR10, don't care that it's no where near as accurate or that it's not as good a platform... it's still probably my favorite rifle. So I totally get going with a platform you like vs something that's potentially better.