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Why do you believe no citizen should be allowed to legally own a firearm?
I am against firearms in general.
Fair enough. The modern world would probably be an overall better place if firearms didn't exist.
It is, just look at all the other countries in the so called civilized world.
But they do exist. And you don't want the fascist to be the only ones who have them.
Well the fascists AND non-fascists have them in America. Not seeing how its making any difference.
2A was specifically written to help prevent a tyrannical government.
Hasn't worked.
They're not magic talismans, you need to actually use them on tyrants. Fire Extinguishers don't ward off fires by just existing.
Yes, that's the point.
It was never claimed that it would work overnight. You can't just plead the 2nd as if it were the 5th and , flash, everything is all democracy again. Organized and individual actions, both, will likely be necessary.
All the Second does for us is ensure that we weren't disarmed at this point. One thing I can guarantee is that nobody is going to be discussing any plans for retaliation on this forum or any like it.
Every day we get closer to the tipping point. Arm yourself with a firearm and the knowledge on how to use it safely.
If it's safe for you to have a firearm.
I think a lot of people skip that step.
Thankfully I dont live in America.
I'm just watching in horror from a few thousand miles away
The anti-fascist having a gun doesn't seem to have helped him in any way. Just giving the fascists a talking point for demonizing him after the fact.
They find talking points and demonize anyways.
They'll make up any excuse. This one is bullshit like the rest but this excuse is one that has been the law since 1791. People seem to really care about it and previous SCOTUSs have made very clear that no laws can infringe on that even when it's to prevent harm.
I feel so funny on this because I want to defend a right under attack by the rump admin but also it's a right I want limited in many ways... Just not right now.
pretty effective in the US with the second amendment nuts going crazy... and joining ICE
Why should they?
Farmers use them to protect livestock.
So farmers need them, but not everyone.
That kinda depends on where YOU personally draw the line.
And that line is going to be different.
Me personally I would include recreation. Clay pigeon, biathlon, etc.
Why should citizens be allowed to legally own firearms? Best reasons I can conjure up: to engage in subsistence hunting, if that's their thing. Self defense, either from other humans with bad intentions or large wild/feral animals. Target shooting as recreation. Ensuring the collectively armed citizenry can defend itself against an unlawful tyrant threatening national values and founding principles.
I would personally prefer to live in a world where everyone respects everyone else's rights to life, liberty, and property and there are no reasons at all for firearms to exist, so they don't and absolutely no one has one.
But I don't live in that world. I live in a world where people cheat, steal, maim, and kill. It would be nice to have an impenetrable forcefield protecting me from harm, but I don't have that, either. So, the next best thing, is a way to level the playing field. To ensure the smallest, least physically-imposing person can be every bit as lethal as the largest bad motherfucker intent on causing harm. I think that's the central idea as shared by The Cornered Cat.
Edit: I guess another reason would be to make an armed country harder to invade by another country. The would-be invader may think twice before laying feet upon the armed country's soil, knowing the likelihood of a strong underground and guerrilla tactics.
So fear. Got it.
That's your reason for not owning or wanting others to own firearms isn't it? Fear? Are we a hypocrite?
I'm afraid of all the people that own guns now because their fear puts others in danger. Other countries with strict gun laws or even bans out rank the US in safety. How odd...
Sounds irrational.
Yeah sane thoughts tend to seem that way to insane people.
Did you just not read the first and second paragraph?
Well the hunting bullshit was an intentional attempt to legitimize owning a gun when in reality you don't have to shoot a vegetable.
I guess you could take it as that but also I feel like it is a legitimate reason to own a gun. Especially because I personally know people that do actually hunt as a way to put food on the table. Being vegetarian is perfectly valid and a good choice and everything but also shouldn't be forced on everyone. And honestly hunting is more ethical than buying meat from the grocery store or whatever, and much more of the animal gets used if you do it right.
But even if you completely disregard hunting, what about target shooting for sport?
The hunters you know exclusively hunt to survive? And don't get started with the ethics of meat consumption bullshit. No creature deserves death because you like the taste of their flesh. End of discussion.
Can a football kill someone?
Not exclusively to survive, but to allow their family to have a cheap protein source, and they probably would financially struggle even more if they couldn't hunt.
Animals die all the time to provide food for other creatures, and I would rather the animal have a good life out in the wilderness doing whatever it wants and then being quickly and painlessly killed than grown on a farm with little freedom for a couple years and then butchered. Also, then you can pay the proper respects to the animal for it's flesh and you have to be the one to kill it not abstracting that away by buying it in a store. I understand not thinking any creature deserves to die but there are levels of nuance and levels of how ethical meat is to consume beyond that.
Also, yeah a football probably could kill someone if you kicked it at their head hard enough and they didn't have a helmet. A baseball definitely could if thrown by a professional pitcher. Not sure what relevance that has
Fear seems like a legitimate reason to me. Plenty of things to be fearful of out there.