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I think everyone has cleared up that we don't actually like Trump. We hate all US presidents. But i wanted to explore a real split that happened when he got elected between people who are still libs, and people like me who were libs but reevaluated my received ideology, in large part due to his election.
Trump getting elected completely invalidates everything libs believe about this country. Myth of meritocracy, shattered. The belief that the "good republicans" will come back, the faith in the electoral system, etc.smashed.
When something like that happens, a real thing happens that invalidates your world view, your ideology, there's two ways it can go. One way is reevaluating those beliefs, and the other is doubling down on them.
To double down, you have to view the real thing that happened as an abberation. It can't be integrated into your worldview it has to be refuted. So what did libs do? Immediately after the election there was, "well maybe he won't take office, the electors could save us". They retreated into a belief in their electoral system. Next they moved onto the Russian conspiracy belief, because it would expunge the record of our electoral system. "If Russian interference happened, then theres nothing wrong with the electoral process!" And they needed nothing to be wrong with the electoral process, because its the only mechanism they have that allows them to believe this is a democracy. Of course, then theres a series of things, the Mueller report/Mueller worship, the hollow ceremony of impeachment.
If you reevalute the system, you integrate reality. You realize that Trump is not an aberation. Trump is the norm, just far more grotesque. Every president is a war criminal whose purpose is to further an imperialist, white supremacist world order. It doesn't matter if they are civil, or have "merit" (whatever that means), or if they're the first black president. They're the figurehead of global system of exploitation.
For me personally, i hadn't become a communist yet, and Trump winning was something that made it clear that the recieved ideology i was operating under was clearly wrong and had to be evaluated. At some point, and for whatever reason people who become communists, or anarchists, or whatever left tendency from the starting position of received American ideology have to reevaluate the world from usually a combination of catalysts.
I think a lot of this shows why theres so much acrimony between us and libs. We invalidate their world view. The thing that allows them to believe they live in a democracy, one that is more democratic than other nations, and freer (libs may except other western nations as free, or even superior, but they chauvanistically know they are better and freer than the global south or any AES).
And many of us are frustrated because we already know what they believe is wrong, because many of us believed it! And we learned it was wrong by integrating the realities we've witnessed into our understanding of the world.
That's probably why some libs think we like Trump, because we don't share the view that he's an aberration, or uniquely bad. He's just a republican. And they can't accept that
I think the most revealing thing to ask a lib is who was worse,
or 
. The sheer body count difference, there's no way a kind, non-fascist person could ever think it's even close.
It's absolutelty the best test.
Trump winning the election almost immediately rehabilitated Bush for libs. Which is all about optics and civility bullshit.
Why they think the deaths of something like 2 million Iraqis is more civil than a grotesque TV show host being gross - now that's what's interesting!
The deaths and displacement of millions ot Iraqis and Afghans are not an affront to their ideology. That does little or nothing to their fundamental beliefs and assumptions about America. But a grotesque, an "unqualified" reality TV star, a con man becoming President, and then having the audacity to be "unpresidential" - to disrespect the office - that to libs is real shit. That shakes their belief system to the core. That's the only calculus that makes Bush better than Trump
:this: is a great post
orange man literally blowing minds, what a unit
I went through most of those steps, but already knowing our electoral system was at the very least bad because of math. So after a few rounds of cognitive dissonance I had to reevaluate.
Excellent post.
This is exactly why, throughout the entire Trump presidency, liberals repeated to themselves, to their family, friends coworkers, to their Twitter followers: THIS IS NOT NORMAL. It was a mantra for 4 years. It perfectly represents their struggle through the cognitive dissonance of reconciling Donald Trump being the "Leader of the Free World" just as much as Barack Obama, Lyndon Johnson, or Franklin D. Roosevelt.
The question they never could answer satisfyingly is "If this is not normal, how did normal lead us here?" Answering this question definitively inevitably leads to socialist critiques and conclusions. Instead they retreated into the elitism of disdain for "populism" and the idiot masses, while simultaneously claiming to defend "democracy" even though they clearly don't like its actual practice and results. Or, they retreated into the paranoia of a foreign conspiracy, since a foreign nation can be irredeemably evil but never our own, while completely overlooking that Trump mostly did as the Blob (as Obama called it) wanted. He was of absolutely no benefit to any supposed backers, even if they really did support him. And it stands to reason that if they could have rigged it successfully the first time, why wouldn't it have worked the second time? It should have only gotten easier to rig things with a puppet in charge than with a meaningfully independent Democrat in charge. All of their answers were and are a mess of contradictions.
I was like you too. Recognizing that this madness was normal and continues to proceed just fine without Trump at its head is exactly what showed me that I am not a liberal. I would have hoped it would have enough for most people. Maybe we need Mecha Hitler III to be elected via Supreme Court decision before most liberals jump ship.
Thanks, and i appreciate what you've added here comrade.
Particularly about their retreat into elitism and anti-populism. You see this manifest strongly when theres a disaster in a so-called red state, and all the libs just say they deserve it, as if everyone living there is what they imagine republican voters to be: stupid, lower class, rednecks, whatever libs are calling them these days. They never imagine that the average republican voter and average Trump supporter is petty boug, is as affluent as they are if not more, and of the same class or higher. And those peoole aren't the ones hurt when the grid goes down in Texas. The peoole most likely to be hurt are the people they pay lip service to caring about.
Chapo had it right when they said that the really poor by and large just don't vote. From liberals' perspective that's the same thing as voting Republican in effect, but they don't reflect on being resented for this snobbish disapproval and political entitlement, which costs them elections.