Not at all. The meme we're commenting on specifically mentions Epstein Island and the lack of MLs there. I wasn't suggesting that most or all MLs would go if given the chance but you certainly wouldn't see zero.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Okay so then you think, within any given group, there's always going to be at least a few people that want to go to lavish rape parties.

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[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Not necessarily within small groups but within any given political movement. Law of averages; there's a few creepy rapey (usually but not exclusively) men in every large grouping of people.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

So you don't think, maybe, some groups of men are more likely to be rapey than other groups? I suppose there's just an "average man" that exists independent of political affiliation or material conditions or social conditioning, and among that cohort are rapists.

I think, actually, some political movements are worse than others and more likely to be rapey. Radical, I know.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I think they have a point that if you just took the set of all ML men there'd be abusers and pedophiles among them. That much is just undeniable and you'd have to believe that something about reading Stalin makes you a saint who won't ever take advantage of others to say otherwise, because we're literally talking about hundreds of millions of people here. To me the question is whether or not MLs have a system that can organize society in such a way that child trafficking rings can't be built, and whether the system that MLs build is likely to create abuses of vulnerable people. That question can actually be operationalized and studied in a more useful way.

[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 2 points 16 hours ago

So you don’t think, maybe, some groups of men are more likely to be rapey than other groups?

Sure. And in a given society, they gravitate to positions, lifestyles, and occupations that help them rape much like pedophiles are often drawn to teaching or being youth pastors.

I think, actually, some political movements are worse than others

People with a right wing outlook on life are, in my opinion, way more likely to be rapey.